heikobe Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 So I did some research on it and can't find what I looking for. Most of the posts refer to g6 instead of ae111.I want to know the difference, in term of performance, between ep82 5 speed box and ae111 6 speed box on a starlet.For street cruises, can I say 6 speed is more practical to use as it revs faster than 5 speed? Even on a Turbo? If I look for response and acceleration, which box should I use (on 4e starlet)?Any opinion is welcome.Jerry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 The g6 box is from a 1.3 corolla so will bolt straight up.The g6r and levin 20v boxes are from 4a engines so will need the bell housings swapping over.The 20v 6 speed has really short gears. Mine was doing @8400305585105120Not sure in 6th as I was limited stillPut that on a 4e with 7500 limit and all you will see just how short they are Quote Link to post Share on other sites
heikobe Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 So obviously the top speed is lower, isn't it? But for quick response, like in corner, is it better than 5 speed? I think of this because of the 4.3 final gear in ae111 box. In my country we can't go really high speed, so I prefer fast aceleration than top end power. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) C52 - Ep82/91 5 speed 1st - 3.1662nd - 1.9043rd - 1.3104th - 0.9695th - 0.815Reverse - 3.250Final - 4.058Differential Gear Ratio - 3.722 C160 - ae111 6 speed 1st - 3.1662nd - 2.0503rd - 1.4814th - 1.1665th - 0.9166th - 0.725Reverse - 3.250Final - 4.529 Edited February 7, 2014 by richardc9052 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Use this to find out what speed you would be doing in each gear at a given rpm. compare bothhttp://www.apexgarage.com/tech/gear_ratios.shtml Quote Link to post Share on other sites
motion Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) I love the 6 speed gearboxbut can it manage the torque of a FTE? Edited February 7, 2014 by motion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Id say so, they just need looking after.. my old ae111 hada bad crunch into 3rd gear unless you double clutched.. most of the damage happens because people dont change the oil.. I personally would just put a c160 diff into a c52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 6th gear has been known to strip itself but I've also heard of them handle 450hp+ The diff in them is a great bit of kit though. Putting one back in my car. Prefer it over the cusco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Have you ever driven an ae111 BZR? If you havent, it is one of the best driving experiences ive had.. superstrut suspension, 6 speed and lsd.But yes the diffs are awesome Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I had one. I crashed it late last year!I miss it like mad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
heikobe Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 C52 - Ep82/91 5 speed 1st - 3.1662nd - 1.9043rd - 1.3104th - 0.9695th - 0.815Reverse - 3.250Final - 4.058Differential Gear Ratio - 3.722 C160 - ae111 6 speed 1st - 3.1662nd - 2.0503rd - 1.4814th - 1.1665th - 0.9166th - 0.725Reverse - 3.250Final - 4.529 It seem the c160 reach lower speed at 7500rpm in each gear.However, I am curious that whether rpm climbs faster due to the 4.529 final gear?If so, can I conclude that, c160 acelerates faster than c52?Let's put the strong/weak thing one side. Just focus on aceleration. 6th gear has been known to strip itself but I've also heard of them handle 450hp+The diff in them is a great bit of kit though. Putting one back in my car. Prefer it over the cusco 450hp+ seems to be unrealistic to me...Can't imagine how can I make use of that big power..I would prefer something more practical to drive...let say 200hp? Can c160 manage this hp?It should be real fun to drive with a diff!!Why would you say it's better than cusco? Sorry for many questions.I just want to understand more about this area. by the way, is it possible for put c160 final gear into c52? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Had to say whether it would hold up or not. They come stock with 165hp and 120lbft for comparison. And the corolla t-sport uses a c160 as well I believe which is 190hp and 130lbft and they don't seem to have the same problems so might be worth looking at one of them?The oem diff is easy to drive daily. The cusco diff is aggressive and snatches the steering unless you have your foot down.No as the final drive links with the output shaft. You have a 5 speed shaft and a 6 speed shaft so to fit the c160 you would need to fit the gears from the c52 to the c160 shaft and the positioning of all the gears would be wrong. (I assume at least) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 The diff itself is a direct swap, you need to change the ring gear. Although i have read that it is possible to swap the c160 ring gear and press the pinion gear off and on to the c52. ill have a c160 diff next week so ill throw up some pictures.. hopefully it has the ring gear so we can use it for reference, but i just want the lsd for now ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
heikobe Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 Had to say whether it would hold up or not. They come stock with 165hp and 120lbft for comparison. And the corolla t-sport uses a c160 as well I believe which is 190hp and 130lbft and they don't seem to have the same problems so might be worth looking at one of them?The oem diff is easy to drive daily. The cusco diff is aggressive and snatches the steering unless you have your foot down.It seems that it worth a go for 6 speed.by the way, anyone here had it on their starlet?would love to hear some experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aleximport25 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I had one. I crashed it late last year!I miss it like mad i had one similar but the 5 speed. i miss the sound of itbs but i missed having a ep more so i went back. but amazing little coupe and a rare car aswell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 That's why I have a starlet with this this engine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flynn Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Morgey your gonna have to help me find a diff for mine......next winter i imagine, do the clutch and get that Tom's flywheel on there not a cusco one though, you've scared me off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I've got a levin 6 speed with oem lsd spare atm. 200 bucks and postage n it's yours. 2nd gear synchro's gone n Cba to fix it but for a diff that's pretty good price.Couple of people have shown interest but no1 has fronted the cash! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flynn Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 i am absolutely clueless about gear boxes......did the 5 and 6 speeds have the same diff (will it fit my car lol) ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raffa_mk Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 The 1st and 2nd gear on the 6speed go very quick on a 4efte I used it on both fe and fte and wouldn't regret changing from 5 to 6 speed.Less load on the engine and helps if you have a big turbo strapped on your setup,I've run ct9 and ct9 hybrid and acceleration is very quick, also cruising on motorway in 6th is cool and if you drop it to 5th for some fun, normally 6th is spot on motorway from 50mph Limit is around 145 but even on track days it's very rare you reach then speeds on the straightsSo for both street and track it's very good and I've got a quaife LSD which helps with 1st and 2nd gear spin ups as you you can easily spin it up without LSD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Flynn yup just gota swap the gear over n it drops in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flynn Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Mmmmmmmmnnn........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Yeah its the ring gear that needs swapping. Follow taggy's guide and you'd be fine buh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TurboTobz Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Pm me when the cusco isbout if your up for selling it mr morgey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 You have pm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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