Bug679 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Hello again folks So after getting everything sorted on my car finally I need everyones help 😀 So I have a hybrid ct9, fmic, exhaust all that done. Am not looking mad boost just .6 bar have that all set,am problem is am looking to tune the fuel so it's at a safe figure in boost will be using apexi neo for the job it's all my budget allows atm and would like to give it ago meself anyway 😜 Am looking to know the air fuel ratios to set the Wideband to. So anyone that can help me I would really appreciate it guys. From my understanding 14.7 on low throttle is ideal but it's the boost that has me confused. I read that 1 bar around 11.2 so if anyone can give me what should be around .6 bar would be a big help. Wideband currently reads about 14.2-7 on low throttle and idle. In boost at .6 bar it can go as rich as 10.5. Thanks Any help and opinions welcome Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 boost level dont matter the 11.2 is just fine to the ends 10.5 on boost is rich so you can lean out on boost to 11/11.5 on boost Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bug679 Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 Sound lad thank you very much that's what I was looking for. I can just turn down the fuel now with apexi. Thanks 5e Colin legend Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Androo26 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 There is no real reason why it ever needs to be as rich as 10-10.9 unless you are seeing extreme intake temps where extra fuel can assist in cooling the air temps. 11.2 - 12.2 will be rich enough. Just remember that not every cylinder is running at the displayed a/f ratio ... Its only an average of all four. Some cylinders may be leaner than others. And you dont want it to go pop!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bug679 Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 No definitely don't want it going pop. Am also just using gauze on the turbo think I'll route the air filter to the front bumper again. Thanks lads Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobSR Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Aim for 11.8 on boost. 14.7 idle is correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bug679 Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Thank lads, just one more thing.I haven't any fueling mods done to the car are they running that rich from the factory ? .I haven't put in the Apexi yet just looking to gather info first Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 yes they do safe tune on them from factory and still gets eco milage like no other 1.3 turbo ha ha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bug679 Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) So it'll still be alright to take fuel out without the use of a rrfpr or fuel pump ? Thanks Edited October 25, 2015 by Bug679 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 It'll be fine, its wise to change the fuel pump as standard ones are getting ancient now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bug679 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 OK So i got the Neo installed and it runs like crap from the start.Wideband reading of 10 and there's also a check engine light i intialized the neo and done the settings for throttle. this is the diagram i used to wire it upAre there any other settings to change on it ?Didn't think it would affect the fueling till i started to raise or lower the settings.Any taughts on this guys or girls?Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Just a bump up on this question does the readings slightly differ in each gear on full boost Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 then u wired it in wrong patman yes there be diferent reading a tat unles you have boost by gear function on ecu ( big money ha ha ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bug679 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Shitcicles, gonna have to have a look at the wiring again then cause it's 300 for a local tuner to setup the Neo.Colin you got any threads of these wired in to an ep91 or know what colours at the ecu should be ?That diagram above is correct though isn't it .Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GP82 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 You only running 0.6 bar boost pressure on the hybrid. I would incremently increase boost and monitor the fuelling and check/ listen for det Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 then u wired it in wrong patman yes there be diferent reading a tat unles you have boost by gear function on ecu ( big money ha ha ) Thankyou mate I did think that, and no big money here hahaha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bug679 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Thanks lads and Colin you were spot on mate had the pressure wire looped where it should of been joined each end thanks. You only running 0.6 bar boost pressure on the hybrid. I would incremently increase boost and monitor the fuelling and check/ listen for detwhat boost would you recommend ? it's at .6 bar now and the wideband gives readings of say 12-13 going through the rev range of 2.5k to 5.5k and over that is when it will run to the high 10s like 10.7-10.9 i let off at that.Going to get new fuel pump and an fcd again preferably JAM one.It would be safer to dump more fuel in and trim it back with Neo that way ? Thanks Edited October 26, 2015 by Bug679 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 0.6bar is 9 psi so you only have 2 more psi to play with also being a hybrid your already max stock ecu feuling for sure ( i think ) now your going to have to tweak the neo to get more psi / feuling 12/13 on boost is already to lean be carefull !!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bug679 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Sound Colin, Thanks for the help man.Don't want to bother you to much with questions but should i get a rrfpr and jam fcd ? to up the boost and dump more fuel in? Then trim it back from there ? or would the Neo be able to turn up the fuel instead of going negative go + ? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) if you have it yes fit it keep the neo on 0 setting and raise feul pressure up to 3 barr first ( to be safe ) then raise your boost to 1 bar ?? or wich ever you want if its still rich lower feul pressure and if your almost happy ( on the rich side ) trim with the neo thats how i do it no bother thats what we are ere for ha ha Edited October 26, 2015 by 5e colin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bug679 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Sound Colin cheers man. Ill up the fuel and the boost first and leave the Neo well alone lol Thanks again man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 At the moment (I know all starlets aren't the same at this sort of thing) and I haven't fitted my jam fcd yet, I have my boost set to around 0.75bar 2.3 bar on the fpr with wideband showing the readings above, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bug679 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 What readings are you getting Pat ? if your going WOT have you rrfpr as i taught the stock fpr was 2.4 bar so you turned the fueling down ? you on td04 or ct9 mate ? when am on WOT at say 3500 rpm it will go to 12-12.5 on WOT but will climb to 11 or even 10.7-9 but i let off the throttle then lol. If your looking to sell that fcd gimme a shout mate as ill buy it back Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Oh of course mate it was you I got the fcd off silly me, I will give you a shout mate but no doubt will be putting it on, but there is 1 or 2 on here for sale at good prices or was, right I'm running a ct9 as far as I know stock fuel pressure is 2.3 bar, I have a sard fpr on now and it's set to 2.3bar as when I was at WOT in 4th and 5th at 2.4 bar on the fpr I was getting in the late 10's,Ok your fueling mate how have you got it set up, as Colin said above you need to lean out a bit, I'm not sure what this neo thing you have mate does,If your running stock boost like you said 0.6 bar, and your getting late 10's on boost of course somethings not right there are you using a an aftermarket fpr or still the stock one on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ollieh17 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 0.6bar on a td04 on stock ecu stock fuel setup my glanza was mid-late 10s on WOT. Ecu fuels safe/rich. Wouldnt say theres anything wrong with late tens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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