Gearbox swap?

[Duduglanza]

Has anyone here managed to swap gbox from another toyota car? Im tired of rebuilding mine and changing syncros every now and then to have decent gearshifting

[5e colin]

socks done a mr2 turbo box on his 2zzge in the starlet with custom shafts pm him its not a simple job

[Duduglanza]

I was told that mr2 / celicas gbox are done but i have never seen on.

[5e colin]

ya its not simple needs adaptor plate between box and engine etc etc

[Duduglanza]

I know its not simple. Just need to confirm

[funny onion]

I have a G6 6 speed corolla gearbox in one of my GT's

Edited February 1, 2016 by funny onion

[Stu]

C56 is a common conversion, shorter final drive and a few different gear ratios. Same design internally. Just swap off the 4age bellhousing and drill the passenger side mounts into the casing and your good to go. Good and strong.

C160 also fit but are a weaker box. Probably fine for most setups though.

Larger E series boxes don't physically fit without massaging the chassis

Edited February 1, 2016 by Stu

[Duduglanza]

  On 2/1/2016 at 4:28 PM, funny onion said:

I have a G6 6 speed corolla gearbox in one of my GT's

Do 2nd gear crunch?

[funny onion]

  On 2/2/2016 at 5:10 AM, Duduglanza said:

Do 2nd gear crunch?

No everything is fine no crunches, the shorter ratios give it more of a punch in the lower gears than a starlet box. only thing you have to modify is the shifter as reverse is next to first on this box. just need to notch some plastic from the shifter housing. gear cables, mounts etc are a straight swap

[Phil]

  On 2/1/2016 at 11:33 PM, Stu said:

C56 is a common conversion, shorter final drive and a few different gear ratios. Same design internally. Just swap off the 4age bellhousing and drill the passenger side mounts into the casing and your good to go. Good and strong.

C160 also fit but are a weaker box. Probably fine for most setups though.

Larger E series boxes don't physically fit without massaging the chassis

What's the strongest box availible ?

C52?

Phil

[Stu]

Stock c52 and c56 are very similar other than the c56 is a shorter ratio box. Both are pretty strong.

C150 (EP71 N/A), C152 (EP71 Turbo), C160 etc are all lighter weight gearboxes

[Bananajoe888]

Will a C64 Gearbox fit? Does it hold enough power?
E58 would be perfect!!!

[Phil]

  On 2/3/2016 at 6:46 AM, Bananajoe888 said:

Will a C64 Gearbox fit? Does it hold enough power?

E58 would be perfect!!!

Not sure what all would need done to make a c64 fit but Juba do an uprated 3rd/4th gear for them so def a swap I'd be interested in.

Come in Toyota engines lotus etc

Phil

What's the craic with an e85?

Phil

[Bananajoe888]

E58 can hold tons of Newtonmeter Torgue =D
bit heavier.. but i think u cant break it with a starlet

does somebody now how Strong the C64 gears are compared to C52?

Edited February 3, 2016 by Bananajoe888

[Stu]

E series boxes are physically much larger, you need to do some "manipulation" to make them fit. Plus they dont come with an e series bellhousing

[Bananajoe888]

  On 2/3/2016 at 9:00 AM, Stu said:

E series boxes are physically much larger, you need to do some "manipulation" to make them fit. Plus they dont come with an e series bellhousing

yea thats shit.... cant someone make a custom bell housing?

or where i can get a e58??

[Phil]

  On 2/3/2016 at 8:45 AM, Bananajoe888 said:

E58 can hold tons of Newtonmeter Torgue =D

bit heavier.. but i think u cant break it with a starlet

does somebody now how Strong the C64 gears are compared to C52?

No way of getting e85 gearset into our casing/bell housing?

Phil

[Stu]

Nope, totally different, phyiscially huge by comparison

[Phil]

  On 2/3/2016 at 7:49 PM, Stu said:

Nope, totally different, phyiscially huge by comparison

Bummer

[Bananajoe888]

  On 2/3/2016 at 9:05 AM, Phil said:

No way of getting e85 gearset into our casing/bell housing?

Phil

NO sry, no chance to do that

i think i try C64 swap in my starlet. Think this will hold better than C52..

300whp is much..

[Phil]

  On 2/4/2016 at 6:48 AM, Bananajoe888 said:

NO sry, no chance to do that

i think i try C64 swap in my starlet. Think this will hold better than C52..

300whp is much..

Fire us as many details as u can

I wondered before if a c64 gearset would fit in one of the 6speed gearboxes that people use from a g6 corrolla? Then mate it to the c52/56 bellhousing?

Pretty sure the c64 casing isn't suitable in terms of selector position and starter position etc being from a rear engines rwd lotus

What gearbox comes in a fwd tsport 2zz?

Phil

[morgey]

Same box, the corolla and celica use C64 and 63 i think. The celica has closer ratios in 2nd and 3rd i believe.

The boxes can be modified to it front or rear engined like the old c52 in the old aw11 mr2

[5e colin]

  On 2/4/2016 at 6:48 AM, Bananajoe888 said:

NO sry, no chance to do that

i think i try C64 swap in my starlet. Think this will hold better than C52..

300whp is much..

if the driveshafts inner cups from starlet fit then your onto a winner

[Bananajoe888]

Guys.. had a interesting talk with an Motorsport guy from Germany... he told me a way to use C64 (Corolla T-sport gearbox) nearly PnP on starlet.
he said "you only have to combine the right parts =P

[Stu]

Its just a case of using the right housings so that the gearbox bolts to a e series engine.

EDIT:

Its interesting looking a the ratio comparisons between the C56 and the C64.

C56

A 5-Speed Manual Transmission for FWD and mid-engine cars. Compared to the C50/52, it features close-ratio 3rd-to-4th gearing.

1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Reverse Final

3.166 1.904 1.392 1.031 0.815 3.250 4.312

C64

1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th Reverse Final

3.166 2.050 1.481 1.166 0.916 0.815 3.250 4.529

Really short final drive, would be doing a fair few revs at 100kph!

Edited February 4, 2016 by Stu