So basically, they are only terrorists when they do terrorists acts. the rest of the time they involved in a legitimate war. no problem accepting that terrorists arent involved in terrorism 24/7. So, i help people during the day do usual things and generous acts, and then rape people at night. next day am i not a rapist even whilst im doing something legitimate like being generous or helpful? i dont think so. war = fighting an army as an army. terrorism = firing rockets Hamas involved in both = terrorists. people tend to concentrate on the worst of most dangerous element of others. a charity working murderer? murderer. in my country a man in full uniform(IRA) shoots a off duty soldier, he claims its an act of war. True story, so im aware of this argument. So in summary you think palestinians have the right to fight. do you believe they have the right to terrorism? aimless missiles fired at israel? if they want to fight ive no problem with that, fire away. if they want Israel to play cowboys and indians on the border regions no problem. but if they want to fire rockets in Israel that may kill civilians? then dont complain about the serious beat down. if they want to use civilians as human shields? why complain when they die? I dont believe that the Jews where the original inhabitants of the Holyland, in the history of people id say Canaanities of shemites. But they were clearly there a long time, long enough to have at least equal rights to anyone else. the modern world is based on who won what most recently. Land won in wars that wouldnt be agreeable today no doubt. So in summary, nomatter what else a terrorist get up to he is a terrorist.If they want to fight a ground war or whatever, agree to some sort of conflict boundaries and have at it, please get on with it.if they want to fire missiles indiscriminately, then tough luck with the disproportionate response.Historical rights to the land, equal at worst.Current split of land, majority to strongest nation or tongue, see the world for details.Phil