No misunderstanding Afaik The timescale seemed quite important to me. Given that the theory relates to a product being accepted over a period of time. This particular product is quite dissimilar to the model of PEC by all accounts. PEC immediate uk frontage from an existing company who added 4e rods to their existing product range just a few years ago - versus - maxspeedingrods who have sold cheap Chinese forgings for a long time direct from factory in China. I personally ran a set and made good numbers with them the guts of ten years ago. All of the above may stil seem as irrelevant to you as the prices point note previous, but just sticking info out there no obligation for any or everyone to grasp or care for its significance. This a forum, we are in a topic regarding maxspeeding rods and I'm not aiming to pick holes but rather add to the discussion, what you are adding I've no idea, bar your attempt to clear up a contrived / non existent misunderstanding. No point in someone coming here and thinking that Maxspeeding and PEC are on a par. Or that any moment maxspeeding are about to prove themselves of a comparable quality, they have been around longer and still send stuff out that could knacker your new forged engine if you weren't careful. (Last swarf locally noticed just a couple of months back) At the same time if you buy/visually inspect yourself weight/balance and make no assumptions they can be a cost effective part. And one that I'd happily buy and use again. Phil