how amusing. guys, what you're forgetting is, this is an open forum, where anyone and everyone can state their opinions, which is why its a far more friendly forum than tgtt - lets not spoil that. basically, we've stated from the start, that yes rota's are shit in comparison to rays. thats fact, nothing can be changed. we're not flaming you for buying them, or tell you not to, thats your choice, if you want to do that, we dont care, thats your life, you can do whatever the fuck you want, but the fact and truth will still always remain, but yet alot of you still remain touchy over that, like we're insulting you personally. Now, you may well feel that way, but that just shows how shallow alot of people are. Its a set of fucking wheels, if someone disses wheels, and you get offended, then you need to take a look at your life, because if you worry over someone commenting on your wheels then something is seriously wrong there. its actually pathetic, and for that, i pity you. For the (second or third) time, you dont have to spend silly money to buy proper jdm wheels, if you bothered to read what i've said. i've had multiple sets of expensive jdm wheels on my starlet (not at the same time ofcourse, i've not exactly got the space to store 11 sets now have i, great way to show your intelligence, you dunce), but they've cost probably less than two sets of rota's, and every set of wheels had decent tyres on them. Alot of people understand the situation, but many of you are getting offended, which is laughable, and pathetic as i said, we're not on our high horses, we're just educated and research what we buy, its not a persona, its just that we like to know exactly what we're buying, which at the end of the day is common sense. if we were indeed on our high horses, we're be telling you thats you're all mugs etc, but we're not, we're just telling you the facts, by identifying exacty what they are, there's a huge difference between that and being 'uppity', so to speak. I'll happily help people source wheels if they want, jdm or otherwise, you've only got to ask, prices are generally quite competetive.