ohh ryan you do get touchy on this matter lol... There is nowt wrong with rotas its just us apparent rich fuckers with small penis's taking the piss lol.. As said above you would really have to abuse the shit out of them to do damage and then it would have to be proper abuse.. how often do you see people with broken wheels? and on another note I spend as little as possible when buying wheels, my toms new action were £150 for the four, if you look hard enough something will come up. For example I just bought a set of forged rays yesterday needing work for £200 ....