i'm sorry, WHAT?!?!?! you are aware that this is UKSC?? and u ARE aware that two of the biggest posters on here ran N/A's until VERY recently, that being myself and Joz?? so for you to suggest that owners of N/A's are treated as lower class citizens on UKSC is utter pish when an Admin and SuperModerator who RUN the place repp'd the N/A scene with two of the most well known and recognisable EPs around for over 5 years! (apologies if this sounds like im tooting my own horn here folks) utter pish. complete and utter. you think Joz and I would have tolerated turbo owners talking down to N/A owners?? some of the N/A owners have more FTE knowledge than the turbo owners themselves! Joz for one is a FONT of technical knowledge about all things EP related. im sorry mate, but thats complete crap. i suggest u spend a little more time on UKSC to see that there is NO elitism based on engines around here. im fairly sure no one talks down to Liam D or Rob Bower or Bluebear simply becase they drive N/As. @Dan - cheers dude, mucho appreciated. Phil.