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Cool, will do - thanks! (and it's no trouble at all) I've had a look and I can JUST use a 263mm disc, if that's any help to people with smaller wheels - I even have a specific disc that'll work if there's demand for it. The alloy bell / rotor setup is compatible with 280x20.5 and 273x20.5 rotors, it might be that the 273mm version does the trick. I can drop to a pad radius of about 269mm on those rotors, but that would be it, smaller than that and it's one-piece discs all the way. I'd normally be happy to see what we can fit inside your wheel if you could lend us one - but I see you're not exactly local having just peeked at your profile!!!

Cheers chap - good to be here! Looking forward to getting that kit in action on your car, I'm pleased with the kit and chuffed to be able to show people.... ;) Hi Phil, it's limited by the lugs on the caliper vs the lugs on the strut. If you look here: ...you can see how close they are to touching! 3.5mm gap in fact. So, the pads are on a 272mm "swept diameter" in this kit, so we can drop to a MINIMUM disc size (with the pads totally flush) of 272mm minus (3.5x2) = 265mm. So I can do a kit that puts this caliper on a 265mm disc, as 280mm WMS kits fit in most 15's with a few mm to spare....the proposed 265mm kit will be 0.6" (15mm) smaller that the 280mm ones, so may fit in 14's, but will be CLOSE to the struts (so some people might need to "clean the strut casting" a bit). How many people want to keep their 14's then? If people want they can opt for the next size up pistons as well on 265mm, this will give you a softer pedal than the 1.38" spec but extra power even though the disc size is only 11mm bigger than OEM... There will be some 14's that can take the 275mm kit as-is of course as some wheels are better than others when clearing brakes, you can get 300mm kits inside some Team Dynamics 15's for instance! Cheers!

In this photo is the fitting that's half-way up the line the correct way round - or will it fit the struts either way round? What I mean is, should the tab that's on the metal tube be "caliper end" of the tube, or the "chassis end" of the tube? On the OEM lines it looks like they have it the other way round (see first photo under "braided lines" here to see what I mean: http://www.ukstarletclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2591 ). But of course it might not matter at all - has anyone got a photo of the tab bolted to a standard strut? Cheers!

Fair enough - 'tis true that a Mini WMS kit would probably be cheaper than the KAD version, but it would mean breaking into a very establised market. I'll let you know if I do go for it though!

Well the alloy bells cost would need to be confirmed when I get them in, but they'll be a fair bit extra....we don't normally worry about slotting rotors as it's largely for show, but can do them for a £48.00/pr surcharge as a custom job. The EP91 kit with the trimmings works out like this: Edited, updated prices are here: WMS Brakes For 54mm Hub Starlets (>92 Turbo (EP82) etc) & WMS Brakes For 55mm Hub Starlets ('92-'96 Turbo (EP82), '96> Turbo (EP92) etc) Cool, let me know - I'm in Hastings/Bexhill, East Sussex. Mail order only though I'm afraid in case anyone's wondering! Had a look at your thread - looks good! I...um...#cough#....have a set of classic Mini front uprights on my "development reference" shelves.....if you're really keen?

I'll need to do a test-build on an EP82 hub, I don't have one to hand sadly. The main difference is that the EP82 has a 54mm bore, the EP91 has a 55mm bore. If you have an EP82 hub I can borrow (or anyone has a cheap EP82 hub for sale) I can get the EP82 version sorted out very quickly....

No problem! Advantages are: - The calipers are MUCH lighter, giving you better grip (less unsprung mass) as well as reducing the weight of the overall car. - The pistons are a bit bigger to give you better "leverage"....based on measurements I did on a Glanza ages ago it's a 6.6% increase, so a bit more power without a soft pedal or upset ABS. - The discs are bigger, resulting in higher brake torque for a given pad pressure. - The calipers are 4-pot giving better control of the pads and modulation ("feel"), even loading on each pad (no sticky sliders), and better pad cooling. - Heat resistance: performance pads are cheaper for WMS calipers, plus the discs can absorb more heat energy per degree of temerature rise, AND they cool faster due to their higher surface area. Basically they give you more power, much better resistance to fade (they take MUCH more abuse), and make your car accelerate, brake and corner faster as they are lighter! We offer a 12-month NO QUIBBLE guarantee on the piston seals (like most other race ones WMS calipers don't have external seals as they would burn off under competition conditions), if they fail we'll send you new ones even if you've been using them on a tractor. This is to counter the worries people have about piston seals on race calipers........we have only ever needed to supply one or two sets or seals and they were not due to dust getting in - in fact we rarely or never sell any seals to even very old kits, and that includes rally cars (mud/grit everywhere). Bottom line is, keep the calipers clean like you would any other part of the car and there won't be any issues, it's just scaremongering. We used to deal with Wilwood years ago and some of their cheaper calipers were castings - this seems to have compromised the anodising and second-hand ones always had corroded bores.....not one single WMS caliper has ever had this happen (that I've been told of). Discs are 22mm, we can do a 25mm version at a push but it's probably not worth the added unsprung mass for most people! The alloy bells / rotors upgrade will be 20.5mm thick. Realllly?! Do tell!!! ...on a starlet? And which Mini, Rover or BMW?

I agree. Most MFRs "load" the prices of their products if they think the owners of a particular model will put up with it - WMS doesn't work that way. We have several aims: - Bang for your buck. We don't sell anything because of it's looks, it's performance we're interested in. - Quality. Our kits FIT! You would be amazed how many other kits need extra machining, or have the wrong piston area etc. - Technology/engineering put to good use - like the brackets which are light (aluminium) but don't have weak threads (stainless insterts). - Customer service and support. We look after our customers, and concentrate in ironing out everything for each car rather than heading off to the next car as soon as we can. This has meant we have a really good reputation and sell most of our products by word of mouth within clubs etc. We also have several race cars (some can be seen on TV) that do testing for us: ...and other attention to detail includes checking fit in any wheels we get our hands on - 15" Mk3 MR2 and 15" Enkei for instance:

lol, cool! Lots of people are saying "after xmas" at the moment! The 2nd (last) kit will probably sell "very quickly", but I'll be getting a re-stock very soon, early in the new year is the plan. Alloy bells will be along next year as well (as a compatible upgrade, lets people improve things in stages).....

Full details here in the WMS Brakes sub-forum: http://www.ukstarletclub.com/forums/index.php?showforum=234 275mm, CNC alu 4 pots, what do you guys think?

Speaking of carriers.....is that the same StarletRick I lent one to in 2006 to get him home? The car I'm referring to came for an upgrade test-fit (NOTE - we are not a garage though!), when I removed the existing Starlet one I could tell as soon as I tried to undo it that it had stripped threads (pre-existing) - amazing the caliper hadn't fallen off in all the time the guy had been driving it in fact! The chap wanted the std one put back on but I couldn't do something that dangerous personally so I took one of the MR2 carriers from my OWN car and fitted it on condition that he replayed his duff one and posted mine back which he agreed to. (the MR2 carriers are wider by the way and easy to identify, but this also means they get iffy if fitted to EP's thinner discs when the pads are wearing). Short version is the guy vanished and left me needing to buy another carrier for my own car after I did him a favour! It's obviously not a massive issue but I thought it was a bit below the belt as I'd helped him out. But as I say, might not be you!!! (or is this your car?)

Hi Guys, I run WMS Brakes, we've been doing motorsport / trackday brake kits for various cars for years but in particular the AW11 MR2 and AE82/92 Corolla (plus various Fords and BMWs etc but we won't worry about that! ). We've got some kits for the EP Starlets, pecs are: - 6061 T6 Aluminium calipers, CNC machined from billet and hard anodised, stainless pistons (1.38"/1.38"). - 6061 T6 clear anodised brackets, with VERY strong 431 stainless steel threaded inserts, "solid" type not "coil" type (this system is strong enough that we found during testing that an M10 grade 12.9 bolt will actually stretch before the insert fails!). - Grade 12.9 cap head bolts - 275x22 or 277x25 discs, both types fit under 15"s but you'll need to check with the .pdf profiles below. I've split the specs and prices onto two other pages as it was getting confusing: WMS Brakes For 54mm Hub Starlets (>92 Turbo (EP82) etc) & WMS Brakes For 55mm Hub Starlets ('92-'96 Turbo (EP82), '96> Turbo (EP92) etc) EXTRAS (common to all kits): - Grooved discs are offered as a service. - We can upgrade the 277x25 disc to the EBC Turbogroove type as another option. - We offer EBC Red, Yellow and Blue, as well as Ferodo DS2500 (fast road) and DS3000 (race) pads to suit. - Earls braided lines (to fit WMS caliper threads) Here are the PDF profiles, the idea is you print it, check the scale is 1:1 then stick the printout to card, cut it out and try it inside your wheels! (Normal kit) 275x22mm kit profile, accurate to about 1.0mm: 275mm WMS kit PDF (Heavy duty kit) 277x25mm kit profile, accurate to about 1.0mm: 277x25mm WMS kit PDF (Beta/proposed kit) smallest possible 262.5mm kit profile, accurate to about 1.0mm: 262.5mm WMS kit PDF Here are some photos of the kits, starting with what the actual "kit" includes: Inside an SR 15" Speedline (spinning!): Here's how the PDF templates work by the way...