true true, my reference was more aimed at the fact that 32 gts'ts do look pony out the box.. but i have never had any experience of the RB20.. lol i am in no way encouraging drifting in car parks, it terribly chavvy i was just joking about! and i didnt say rick had one, i meant that the reason rubix cube has had two engine rebuilds is possibly and i have a huge suspicion the bee*r has something to do with that.. there are appauling little shit boxes! but as ecks said, silvia's seem to step out for fun.. i say silvia all the way