Thanks for the replies guys. Bean I am actually a Notts lad and have just invaded beautiful, warm, sunny Cumbria . I will steer clear of Gates Tyres then cheers, I thought cam skill would be the place to go to in the end. I have heard a lot of praise for the uniroyal rainsport tyres so may just plump for a pair although I have heard good things about the vredestein quatrac3's also hmmm. I think I'll just nip over to whitehaven in the end and make a day of it lol. Cheers guys, Jamie.