Chief Quimby Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Did you tighten it 2 times, i mean tighten, then wait 30 min, then losen , and then tighten it again.Sorry about my english, hope you understand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 That's something I didn't do ^^ and the engineer who did the work on my engine asked me the same question. Not sure if it would have made a difference in my case, but it's certainly something I wont forget to do this time around! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ollieh17 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 That's something I didn't do ^^ and the engineer who did the work on my engine asked me the same question. Not sure if it would have made a difference in my case, but it's certainly something I wont forget to do this time around! no need to do this with a MLS i have been told Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starletezy Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 Did you tighten it 2 times, i mean tighten, then wait 30 min, then losen , and then tighten it again.Sorry about my english, hope you understand.I understand yes it was tightened once then an second time yes but wasn't losend again defo will be doing it the right way this time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ollieh17 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Do some reading up mate, mls wont need retorqued. Also technically loosening and tightening them again would mean you need to replace headstuds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 If you've gone to head studs, you're presumably running ARP stuff, so you can reuse them. If you're using OE head bolts, with an athena, then yes once they're in place then you leave them alone, they're stretch bolts after all. It's probably prudent to check that an ARP stud/bolt is properly torqued a short while after the initial torque. In an idea world you'd probably check them after a certain amount of running, but for the 4efe that would require removing cams. Bit of a minefield is this, and I'm sure there is some simple engine building science behind it. Anyway, interested to find out what happens when you get it built back up, hopefully all is well and you can enjoy the car some. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starletezy Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 Oem head gasket and oem bolts are going in this time didn't chose to put the ARP bolts back in with the standard gasket. When putting it back together im going to torque it down leave it a day or two for them to settle and then retorque them again. It is a myth to get to the head bolts once boxed up lol probably run it couple 100 miles before checking them again. Cheers TimD will keep you all updated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 OEM Bolts are stretch bolts, you torque them up and then I think it's a 90 degree turn to stretch them, after that you leave them well alone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starletezy Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 Right got you mate is the torque settings the same as the 4efe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) OEM Bolts are stretch bolts, you torque them up and then I think it's a 90 degree turn to stretch them, after that you leave them well alone. ^^^^ this also i never see it beeing mentioned but i advice to rub both faces of the steel gasket with some greese the grease will dry out and bond a seal between the surfaces ( works a threat ) trick from the old race boys and yes same settings Edited April 22, 2016 by 5e colin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR-2 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 http://www.google.fi/search?q=vht+copper+gasket+spray&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivxbOrkaLMAhVnCpoKHeNyDF0Q_AUIBygB&biw=320&bih=508I always use this, fills small scratches well. VHT Copper gasket spray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ollieh17 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 http://www.google.fi/search?q=vht+copper+gasket+spray&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivxbOrkaLMAhVnCpoKHeNyDF0Q_AUIBygB&biw=320&bih=508I always use this, fills small scratches well.VHT Copper gasket spray+1, i used this with my MLS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starletezy Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 Legends! will take all your advise on board guys. What grease is best the VHT copper gasket? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR-2 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I have normal spray can VHT, easiest to put on any gasket. Old VHT product not allowed, don't know how new line works or even exist? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR-2 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 http://www.vhtpaint.com/specialty/vht-copper-gasket-cementFor "mega horsepower engines" Find and ask your own local dealer.You can open and split your metal headhasket and spray cement over every layer, this way can made own thichness gasket to get right squishing area cap, many gaskets have many layers, at least tree most of cases. You can buy 2,0 mm gasket and one layer away, then you have 1,6mm gasket etc... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommyep82 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Looks the same as my old gasket went between cylinders must be a fault in them, what other brands are out there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 It's not a fault, it's because the block and/or head weren't completely flat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starletezy Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 An error on our part but lessons learnt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommyep82 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Looks the same as my old gasket went between cylinders must be a fault in them, what other brands are out there My block and head were skimmed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Plenty of people using them with success Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starletezy Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 Almost everyone that goes forge goes for Athena with no issues its all down to the decking of the block Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chief Quimby Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Yes, you do have to tighten it 2 times with mls, and yes, you can use stock bolts twice.I did it in my 5e, running 412hp. I even reused the gasket and bolt after i bended 8 valves, still no problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chief Quimby Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Easy to test, next time, just leave it for the night, next day, test if they have still the same touqhe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starletezy Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 Easy to test, next time, just leave it for the night, next day, test if they have still the same touqhe Exactly the plan of action mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StuDoc 72 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Yes, you do have to tighten it 2 times with mls, and yes, you can use stock bolts twice. I did it in my 5e, running 412hp. I even reused the gasket and bolt after i bended 8 valves, still no problem. Course you can re-use any of it. Its just bad practice. You SHOULD NOT use OEM head bolts twice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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