ste91 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Is it just me or does anyone else not like modern cars? I'm probably just being too biased as I loved the 90's, a 90's car is what I consider a real car.Anyway, I was reading up on the Yaris SR expecting it to be a massive improvement but no...Over ten years later and the latest 1.3 liter engine in the Yaris SR is no better of a performer than the good old 4EFE. Even more pathetic, is the 1.8 liter. 131 BHP from a 1.8 is PATHETIC! The 1.8 in the gen 7 Celica makes either 140 or 190 bhp depending on which model, so what's the deal with this pansy 131 bhp engine? Ok, it's probably better on emissions or economy but for fuck sake, 131 bhp from a 1.8, what are Toyota playing at? 0-60 in 9 seconds is again achievable by a (modded of course) 4EFE!So then you look at the old T Sport. Much better looking than the newer Yaris I think. And definately a better performer - the 1.5 liter engine produces a meagre 103 bhp but can take the T Sport to 60mph in under 9 seconds. Why didn't Toyota just keep the better looking, faster Yaris T-Sport instead of this hideous underpowered crap we get in 2008?Before anyone mentions - I am not interested in safety, luxuries, nice interiors, bootspace, fuel economy, or anything of that sort here, of course the modern cars are probably better to live with but as far as performance figures on paper go the modern cars are looking pretty bad.Was bored so thought I'd write this up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
minxy Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I am with you on the older cars being better cars. i also worked at toyota in sales when they re-released the SR yaris. I ahve to say the 1.3petrol and 1.4D were poorly lame but the 1.8 yaris was great fuin. it is dissapointing that they have not come on very far in such a long time, i think its due tro all the safety regs etc meaning they fill yje car with extra safety precautions and therfore they end up weighing more and become slower.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey Jay Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I would presume a lot of it's down to all the new regulations regarding emissions on new cars etcAlthough have noticed there's a fair few bigger engine'd cars not producing huge amounts of powerFor example, the 1997-2003 Mitsubishi Galant with a 2.5 V6 24v engine produces only 161bhp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scutch0 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 you're overlooking the handling on this tho... a standard t-sport yaris would own a standard sr round the twisties. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ste91 Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 True, but I was talking about general engine performance, you'd think the newer cars would blitz the older ones on paper especially with VVT and whatever else they have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 i think its to do with toyotas ethos of making economical cars, that are easier and cheaper to build on a budget.look at the old vitz rs turbo with its engine made of straw, if you blew much above standard boost it would take a terminal fit - as the engine was built to costjapan experienced a heavy downturn of sporting performance models in the early 00's with alot of choice performance oriented cars killed offand on the whole have started making blandish cars again acept for a few exceptions if we look at the europeans they are definatly going in the right direction Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bourkey Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 To be honest i love the look of the new Yaris SR and the new Auris SR. Yes the performance could be better but how many people do you know that would by a Yaris or an Auris for performance. It's all about practicality and economy these days. It's a shame i know but it's what the majority of the people want and it's what fills the pockets of the car companies;).The only thing i would say i don't like about newer cars is the massive amount of plastic under the bonnet. I like to see the engine not something that should belong in an Action Man toy car.Bourkey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sheekey Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Before anyone mentions - I am not interested in safety, luxuries, nice interiors, bootspace, fuel economy, or anything of that sort here, of course the modern cars are probably better to live with but as far as performance figures on paper go the modern cars are looking pretty bad.We know enthusiasts like ourselves are interested in nice fast and modded cars, but take the average age of a Toyota owners near to the 60's no need for power.TBH Toyota make millions daily, they dont need to make a fast car because the market isn't there for them anymore...But everyone wants Toyota to come back with something good but it may be years for them to make a 'sporty' car again, nothing left in the range now!Peace out Sam Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glanza-Love Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Thats why us starlet owners have to keep the TOYOTA name large.. to show up all the other sh*tty manufacturers that an old toyota will blow the arse cheeks off you shiney new bucket bin car!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sheekey Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Exactly buddy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bluebear Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 That said, did the yaris use the same type of rear suspension as the starlet? Wondering how hard it would be to swap it over, as the cars are of similar dimensions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Si@Fiske Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 ^^ as above.. manufacuters have to have an average co2 emissions across there whole range.. due to goverment legislataion and all this going green shite.. its shame but ah well!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Galliano Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 put a freakin bodykit on a prius.add a turbo to the prius.kill the prius...either way, good CO2 emissions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
briggers Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 it is annoying but even if they did come out with something new and quick like the starlet chances are pricks would drive them and most of us wouldnt be able to afford them. <<< i may be speaking for myself but starlets are the enthusiasts car as there imports and relatively cheap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I personally cant see me owning a car newer than 2000 unless its something like a R8, S3, M3 or something in that range I love mid 90's cars like RX7's, Supra's etc they all still look ahead of their time even today ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ste91 Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 I personally cant see me owning a car newer than 2000 unless its something like a R8, S3, M3 or something in that range I love mid 90's cars like RX7's, Supra's etc they all still look ahead of their time even today ;)Agreed, except for the part about the rubbish german cars ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starletno1fan Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 you gota remember that these new cars tend to have more equipment etc, so will be heavier aswell.yaris sr' are a bit slow, some guy over on YCUK has an sr which is as quick as a standard t sport.I love my yaris anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I like the Yaris SR's - tis something i am considering when i pass my test. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 the old SR yaris is awesome.end of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Asad Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 The cars around these days are toys compared to what we had before 2000....diagnostic code this, electric this dad drives a 1lt 52 yaris n he hates the living day lights out of it (cant wait to get rid he sold his beloved corolla 2.0XLD for it) the yaris is slow no lack of power what so ever even compared to other 1lts, shitty loose gear changing our neighbours have a jap assembled one n ever other week it throws on the EM light saying the car is running to lean its been serviced,well maintained,injectors cleaned, they vary where they fill up at n still comes up! only good thing about cars today is fuel eco.....which is whats running the car industry being eco friendly and CO2 emmisions.its up to enthusiasts like us to keep the old solid reliability alive... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bluebear Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 the old SR yaris is awesome.end of.You mean the original T-Sport Yaris?Dad loved his when he had it, simply because he could chuck it about like nobodys business. I reckon he misses having a smaller hatch like that, he almost seems reluctant to drive the Corolla T-Sport when he's been in my N/A Starlet.Even though the Corolla could outhandle my Starlet most probs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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