Starletz Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Hey, I wondered if anybody could give me pointers on sorting the handling out on my 96' non PAS starlet. I know PAS would be a great help but i'm not willing to go to that effort as it's out of my comfort zone. Could i just fit glanza suspension etc. ?? anything that helps... im desperate. I literally have to cling on for dear life when i go round a bend at more than 50mph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akyakapotter Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Front and rear arb's lowered on coiloves my Glanza feels like its on rails. 15's and all set up properly will handle pretty well then Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaulStarletSR Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 coilovers,arb's,anti-lift kit,strut braces and good tyres! job done.oh and stripn the back out helps majorly with power to weight ratios and handlin,its night and day! enjoy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 First things first, your car is now 17 years old. Everything is old and worn most likely. If it was me i'd renew some partsOn the frontBall jointsShocks and/or Top mountsTrack rodsDroplinksAnti roll bar bushesWishbone bushes (can get an anti lift kit for the rears, well worth thr money)Whats the steering rack feel like, non PAS is quite direct so should feel fairly goodOne the fronts sorted get your tracking or alignment checked, in fact it might be worth having it done first. If you do get somewhere good to do it, local tyre places tend to botch them thru and dont seem to do a good job.The rear theres not that muchPanard rod bushes TopmountsAxle mounting bushes (not usually a problem)If these parts are ok the first 3 things i would say feel for money would be.Set of springs, 30-40mm dont worry about looks stock shocks wont like mad low.Anti lift castor kit (front wishbone rear bush) more positive direct steering.Poly bushes for standard front Anti roll bar and drop links.These are the main things that i noticed gave me a better more predictable front end. Coilovers are too much for bumpy roads but my stock SR shock springs were lovely.Then if you haven't already some alloys with 195/50/15's and a good brand on tyre. Toyo tr1's uniroyal rainsport 2's or others depending on budget.After that a rear adjustable panard rod and rear anti roll bar. Panard stops the rear beam side to side movement and they are poly bushed which helps and ARB helps keep the rear flat and reduces roll.And mostly get your tracking done if you fiddle with shocks or steering items.Woo morning essay, hope that helps haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flynn Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Good info mate.....just about to chuck over £200 at rubber bits and that, can all that be fitted without getting the car over a pit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Front anti roll bar would be a lot easier with a pit. Wishbone bushes involve removing the wishbone but can be done on jacksBut yeah get it jacked up and on stands for the rest Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Starletz Posted June 20, 2013 Author Share Posted June 20, 2013 thanks for the info. I'm not sure i can afford all of that at once so which would be the most effective to start with? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dan106 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Coilovers without a doubt, changed my car completely! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Id start with the cheaper bits, ball joints and track rods. They affect the wollowiness and are cheap.Then a set of springs and an anti lift kit.Then polybushes for the front antiroll bar and droplinks. That should be £200-300 max and will be a massive difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rmsnoel Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 thanks for the info. I'm not sure i can afford all of that at once so which would be the most effective to start with?Rear anti roll bar lad. New bushes balljoints and all thats a waste a money if they arnt broken.Rear antiroll bar and half decent tyres just Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Toffinator Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 I think the massive Must have mod of the RARB Is a load of bollocks IMO. i have front and rear upper braces, newish balljoints and rubbers etc, BC Racing coilovers and a stripped out rear. On track it was quite oversteer happy, so i had to dial the suspension in to make it more neutral but it still wants to pull the backend round whenever you provoke it with No understeer.Fitting a RARB will surely make it even more prone to oversteer and make it feel shite! you dont get much rear roll with coilovers anyway... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rmsnoel Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I think the massive Must have mod of the RARB Is a load of bollocks IMO. i have front and rear upper braces, newish balljoints and rubbers etc, BC Racing coilovers and a stripped out rear. On track it was quite oversteer happy, so i had to dial the suspension in to make it more neutral but it still wants to pull the backend round whenever you provoke it with No understeer.Fitting a RARB will surely make it even more prone to oversteer and make it feel shite! you dont get much rear roll with coilovers anyway...A rear antiroll bar is £150 and coilovers are £500+On a budget Id start with a rear arb. You only need to replace balljoints, bushes and trackrod end when they break, these are toyota not shit french peugeot.Standard na, as the title says, will understeer like a bitch. Just fitting a rear arb makes it neutral with light oversteer on the tightest setting. I have standard shocks, standard springs, 13" skinny tyres, 14 year old balljoints and I can sit with any midern car over any road and around any corner. I also have a full interior and can take speedbumps at 55mph.I would start with a rear arb... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I still say front ball joints, mine were "fine" in 08 according to an mot, changed out these £30 a pair parts and an hours work and transformed my car. If your car feels wollowy then these are the most likely culprit.Bushes maybe not so much but it ain't going to hurt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rmsnoel Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Also train yourself to brake in straight lines, before corners then hold light throttle.through the corner and apply more throttle as you leave the corner. Youtube lift off oversteer. Plus the front antiroll bar droplinks can be tightened or loosened to encourage turn in when the road is wet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amjad Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I think the massive Must have mod of the RARB Is a load of bollocks IMO. i have front and rear upper braces, newish balljoints and rubbers etc, BC Racing coilovers and a stripped out rear. On track it was quite oversteer happy, so i had to dial the suspension in to make it more neutral but it still wants to pull the backend round whenever you provoke it with No understeer. Fitting a RARB will surely make it even more prone to oversteer and make it feel shite! you dont get much rear roll with coilovers anyway... Having driven my GT now with Meisters, Whiteline FARB, and braces I definitely still felt like I was missing my Whiteline RARB! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Starletz Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 have to admit... i was actually thinking of getting a rarb. I'm thinking from the suggestions... get new balljoints and a rarb then just lower it down 30mm or so and leave it at that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amjad Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Get some camber bolts from Toyota, dial in about -1.25 camber and it'll feel a lot better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Starletz Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 Get some camber bolts from Toyota, dial in about -1.25 camber and it'll feel a lot better whats the maximum camber allowed for public roads? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amjad Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Don't think there is a limit lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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