Adeeb1395 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) I have a 1st gen 5efhe non acis engine.i am wanting to do project and build it as 5efhte.i have read many threads on building 5efte, including the tgtt one(which is 4efte to 5efte).So after reading all these i clearly got some idea and knowledge about the project.but i am confused and unsure if it is sufficient or not as i am going from 5efhe to 5efhte , so i am posting the things that i have:I want to be with the 5efhe parts wherever possible:5e piston shaving 1.3mm off5e piston ringsTapped hole the 5e sump for oil drain line5e pickup5e oil head ,rocker cover and block5e rods5e cam gear4efte inlet manifold4efte fuel rail4efte injectors4efte throttle body4efte map sensor4efte fuel pressure regulator5e idler and tensioner pulleys5e crank gear5e thrust washer5e timing belt5e AT tranny5e oil pump5e oil relief valve5e connecting and main bearing5e water pump and hoses5e distributor5e ht leadsThe parts i need is :1.2mm head gasket to get 8:5:1 cr4efte exhaust manifoldCt9 turbo4efte thermostat, housing and sensors4efte tmic4efte ecu4efte valve springs4efte oil filter relocatorPlease Correct me if i am wrong somewhere and add if i missed something.suggest me if you have any opinion.Thank you Edited December 14, 2013 by Adeeb1395 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Personally I wouldn't bother using the ct9 as its too small for the 5E, td04 would be the minimum really. Also use a fmic as the extra heat from the higher compression will lead to problems of detonation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
russ78 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I have a 4efte tmic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adeeb1395 Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Personally I wouldn't bother using the ct9 as its too small for the 5E, td04 would be the minimum really. Also use a fmic as the extra heat from the higher compression will lead to problems of detonation.I will shave 1.3mm off the 5efhe piston and use 1.2mm headgasket to get 8.6:1 cr.would it then be still problem?I want to start the project with ct9 and stay with the tmic as my budget currently wont allow other than that.but later i have plan for fmic and td06 20g. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 That compression ratio is still higher than a stock 4E and the tmic suffers heat soak real bad on that. I probably wouldn't run anymore than 0.6 bar on the ct9 as it wouldn't be long after that efficiency goes out the window and turns into a hairdryer. Are you staying with the stock 4efte ecu? Or have you got any other management? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adeeb1395 Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 i am temporarily staying with the 4efte ecu. any solution about the compression??That compression ratio is still higher than a stock 4E and the tmic suffers heat soak real bad on that.I probably wouldn't run anymore than 0.6 bar on the ct9 as it wouldn't be long after that efficiency goes out the window and turns into a hairdryer.Are you staying with the stock 4efte ecu? Or have you got any other management? i am temporarily staying with the 4efte ecu. any solution about the compression?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maddox710 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 What about ct12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stu Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Have done this heaps of times. CT9 will be fine on stock 5efhe compression (don't need to open the engine) and stock ecu and stock boost. They do go slightly lean (13:1) as they come on boost but richen up by the time its on song. Biggest thing to check is that its not detonating so get a detest and wideband and have a listen while your testing - be conservative with the timing and it'll last for ages - maybe go to a 7 heat range plug. Top mount definitely wont help thou so I'd recommend a front mount, even if its a cheap Chinese core off ebay or something. As above, keep the boost down as they really do run out of efficiency quick on a 5e and they'll make no more power at higher boost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adeeb1395 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 Have done this heaps of times. CT9 will be fine on stock 5efhe compression (don't need to open the engine) and stock ecu and stock boost. They do go slightly lean (13:1) as they come on boost but richen up by the time its on song. Biggest thing to check is that its not detonating so get a detest and wideband and have a listen while your testing - be conservative with the timing and it'll last for ages - maybe go to a 7 heat range plug. Top mount definitely wont help thou so I'd recommend a front mount, even if its a cheap Chinese core off ebay or something. As above, keep the boost down as they really do run out of efficiency quick on a 5e and they'll make no more power at higher boost.What about if i use a 3sgte topmount?and i want to lower the comp by shaving the piston and use 4efte ecu and map Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Xpect Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 If you lower the compression please use a normal 5EFE and don't ruin the rare FHE. If you lower the compression it's a normal 5Efe again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stu Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I wouldn't lower the compression, there isn't really any need. Stock 5efhe will handle boost fine - just be conservative with your timing. Re the top mount, yeah it will work but at the end of the day it will always heatsoak and your just increasing your chances of detonation. I'd try and front mount something if it was me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Green Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 If you lower the compression please use a normal 5EFE and don't ruin the rare FHE. If you lower the compression it's a normal 5Efe again Agreed! Waste of a 5e-fhe! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 mate i would 100% shave the pistons down its ok doing that here in our cold climate but there in bangladesh its roasting all the time very good for det and run the ct9 on low boost only the 5e really reallly heats the hair dryer up high also about the topmount just fit it upfront to get cool air if you cant get a fmic yet use old exhaust pipe if you cant find aluminium pipes reply above , that comment makes nooo sens its the 5efe thats the useless engine if you lower the comp you have a very strong engine much better then a shitty 5efe with there toothpicks rods Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 What he is saying is the n/a boys would pay good money for a set of 5efhe pistons. Because they are so rare.Swap them for normal 5efe pistons and go from there.Regarding 3sgte top mount. They are chargecoolers on the st205 gt4. That might be something to consider? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zeldoz Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Just relocate the TMIC to the front like above. Will cost you £10-£20 in extra ally pipe lengths and some silicone joiners + clamps.. then your be fine until you get a FMIC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Green Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Do not start shaving pistons, it will be very difficult to achieve the same compression on every cylinder, even the slightest bit of material could potentially make a difference. I'm sure you could pick up a set of FTE pistons cheap enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adeeb1395 Posted December 20, 2013 Author Share Posted December 20, 2013 hmm i think you are right. what about if i use fte piston and 2.2mm head-gasket??? the cr would be similar to fte right?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Xpect Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Why not simply run only low boost on high cr? You have the power earlier and also pull off better from low down. In my opinion perfect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stu Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Yes no need to even open the engine in my experience - have done this a few times with no issues. One I even ran on a 2et ecu. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adeeb1395 Posted December 21, 2013 Author Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) Ok, if it is possible to run low boost in my stock engine and setup then i am fine with it. Do i need any extra parts exept turbo,fte exhaust mani, intercooler and piping?Pls tell me breifly as i dont have enough idea about charging a high cr engine.how much boost i can manage and approx what whp?? Edited December 21, 2013 by Adeeb1395 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Xpect Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 You need a fittimg exhaust mani as the 5E block is higher than the 4E one. Then your parts and something like a Emanage. I wouldn t run a stock ECU made for a smaller engine or one for NA on turbo. At least not without a piggiyback at least. Also for boost you could try to grab knock sensor readings and adjust to that. In my opinion the safest way to reach "high" bost on a FHE. Sry for mistypes, haven't slept cause gaminh, thanks to shitty Vodafone have no DSL and am on phone and am freezing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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