patman Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I rang up toyota today to get my bearing set, he checked for me and said the are 3 different types as in 1,2 and 3 I need a standard set for my gt turbo does anyone understand any of this I looked at the clearences from link below its a case of do I order shell set 1,2 or 3 from toyotahttp://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/showthread.php?27569-4EFTE-Torque-SpecsThankyou Pat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I rang up toyota today to get my bearing set, he checked for me and said the are 3 different types as in 1,2 and 3 I need a standard set for my gt turbo does anyone understand any of this I looked at the clearences from link below its a case of do I order shell set 1,2 or 3 from toyotahttp://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/showthread.php?27569-4EFTE-Torque-SpecsThankyou Pat If your asking what i think you are asking then.. you need to get a micrometer or engineer to take a look at your crank and tell you what size you need. Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Thankyou Phil all I know is my crank is standard size no regrind etc it's had a polish etc before engines going back in but Jesus Christ this is getting hard work now trying to find out what sizes I need the bloke at toyota hasn't a clue Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) The crank for ends and main are 43 (I will double check when next down the unit) so that's means looking at the link chart I will need std mk 1 shells? Edited October 6, 2014 by patman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mork Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 The caps have the size stamped into them. At least mine did, #2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 That's true mate but if my crankshaft has been measured at 43 which is standard size I need to know what big end/main bearings to get 1,2 or 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 then you have to measure the block to !!! fit the cap ( crank caps ) back on and tighten and check how big the hole is only then you can find out wish size you need best to let the engineer do it the conrod bearing caps have it stamped on them 4e and 5e if it was a 5e then its easy for the crank bearings there stamped on block and crank hey hey happy days :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) Hello mate so basically I am putting one crank cap on? Or all 5 and tighten them to the torque setting spec, and that will give me what shell I will need (and for rod shells too) obviously with using the correct measurement tools? A micrometer or feeler gauge? Edited October 6, 2014 by patman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 al main caps need to go back on there nrd 1 to 5 in order then you measure the holes 1 by 1 and write it down you need special tool for that !!!! ( why i say the above ??? is becouse there not al the same size and crank journals arnt al the same size neither then measure the crank journals if you measure them correctly you can check the spec sheet for the bearing size and see if your still in spec there ya go 4E-FTE Engine Service Specifications. Cylinder Head: Warpage limit (block side) 0.05mm Warpage limit (Manifold side) 0.05mm Intake manifold: Warpage limit 0.1mm Exhaust manifold: Warpage limit 0.2mm Cylinder block: Surface warpage limit 0.05mm Bore diameters: STD mark 1 = 74.000-74.010mm STD mark 2 = 74.010mm-74.020mm STD mark 3 = 74.020mm-74.030mm Limit before rebore = 74.23mm Piston diameter: STD mark 1 = 73.900-73.910mm STD mark 2 = 73.910mm-73.020mm STD mark 3 = 73.920mm-73.930mm Piston to oil clearance: STD = 0.09-0.11mm Limit = 0.13mm Piston ring groove clearance: Top ring = 0.04-0.08mm 2nd ring = 0.03-0.07mm Piston ring end gap: Top ring (STD) = 0.26-0.36mm Top ring (Limit) = 0.95mm 2nd ring (STD) = 0.15-0.30mm 2nd ring (Limit) = 0.90mm Oil control ring (STD) = 0.13-0.38mm Oil control ring (Limit) = 0.98mm Con-rods: Thrust clearance (STD) = 0.15-0.35mm Thrust clearance (Limit) = 0.45mm Big-end inner diameter: STD mark 1 = 43.000-43.007mm STD mark 2 = 43.007-43.014mm STD mark 3 = 43.014-43.021mm U/S 0.25 = 43.000-43.021mm Rod bearing centre wall thickness: STD mark 1 = 1.487-1.491mm STD mark 2 = 1.491-1.495mm STD mark 3 = 1.495-1.499mm U/S 0.25 = 1.607-1.613mm Con-rod oil clearance: STD = 0.016-0.048mm Limit = 0.08mm Maximum allowable bend in rod per 100mm = 0.03mm Maximum allowable twist in rod per 100mm = 0.05mm Crankshaft thrust clearance: STD = 0.02-0.20mm Limit = 0.30mm Main journal oil clearance: STD = 0.016-0.049mm U/S 0.25 = 0.017-0.061mm Limit = 0.08mm Main journal diameter: STD mark 0 = 46.995-47.000mm STD mark 1 = 46.990-46.995mm STD mark 2 = 46.985-46.990mm Main bearing centre wall thickness: STD mark 1 = 1.995-1.999mm STD mark 2 = 1.999-2.003mm STD mark 3 = 2.003-2.007mm STD mark 4 = 2.007-2.011mm STD mark 5 = 2.011-2.015mm U/S 0.25 = 2.115-2.123mm Crank pin diameter: STD = 39.985-40.000mm U/S 0.25 = 39.745-39.755mm Limit = 0.06mm Circle runout (Limit) = 0.06mm Main journal taper and out-of-round (Limit) = 0.02mm Crank pin taper and out-of-round (Limit) = 0.02mm Torque settings: Cylinder head bolt: First 36ftlb Second - turn 90 degrees in same sequence Cylinder head to camshaft bearing cap: 9ftlb Cylinder head to intake manifold: 14ftlb Cylinder head to exhaust manifold: 35ftlb Cylinder head to water outlet housing: 13ftlb Cylinder head to Cylinder head cover: 61inlb ** note inch pounds, not foot pounds! ** Camshaft to Camshaft timing pulley: 37ftlb Cylinder block to crankshaft bearing cap: 42ftlb Cylinder block to rear main oil seal retainer: 65inlb ** again note inch pounds ** Cylinder block to oil filter union: 18ftlb Crankshaft to flywheel: 65ftlb Con-rod cap to con-rod: 29ftlb (18ftlb then +90 degrees) Oil pump pulley to drive rotor: 27ftlb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
russ78 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 al main caps need to go back on there nrd 1 to 5 in order then you measure the holes 1 by 1 and write it down you need special tool for that !!!!( why i say the above ??? is becouse there not al the same size and crank journals arnt al the same size neitherthen measure the crank journals if you measure them correctly you can check the spec sheet for the bearing size and see if your still in specthere ya go4E-FTE Engine Service Specifications.Cylinder Head:Warpage limit (block side) 0.05mmWarpage limit (Manifold side) 0.05mmIntake manifold:Warpage limit 0.1mmExhaust manifold:Warpage limit 0.2mmCylinder block:Surface warpage limit 0.05mmBore diameters:STD mark 1 = 74.000-74.010mmSTD mark 2 = 74.010mm-74.020mmSTD mark 3 = 74.020mm-74.030mmLimit before rebore = 74.23mmPiston diameter:STD mark 1 = 73.900-73.910mmSTD mark 2 = 73.910mm-73.020mmSTD mark 3 = 73.920mm-73.930mmPiston to oil clearance:STD = 0.09-0.11mmLimit = 0.13mmPiston ring groove clearance:Top ring = 0.04-0.08mm2nd ring = 0.03-0.07mmPiston ring end gap:Top ring (STD) = 0.26-0.36mmTop ring (Limit) = 0.95mm2nd ring (STD) = 0.15-0.30mm2nd ring (Limit) = 0.90mmOil control ring (STD) = 0.13-0.38mmOil control ring (Limit) = 0.98mmCon-rods:Thrust clearance (STD) = 0.15-0.35mmThrust clearance (Limit) = 0.45mmBig-end inner diameter:STD mark 1 = 43.000-43.007mmSTD mark 2 = 43.007-43.014mmSTD mark 3 = 43.014-43.021mmU/S 0.25 = 43.000-43.021mmRod bearing centre wall thickness:STD mark 1 = 1.487-1.491mmSTD mark 2 = 1.491-1.495mmSTD mark 3 = 1.495-1.499mmU/S 0.25 = 1.607-1.613mmCon-rod oil clearance:STD = 0.016-0.048mmLimit = 0.08mmMaximum allowable bend in rod per 100mm = 0.03mmMaximum allowable twist in rod per 100mm = 0.05mmCrankshaft thrust clearance:STD = 0.02-0.20mmLimit = 0.30mmMain journal oil clearance:STD = 0.016-0.049mmU/S 0.25 = 0.017-0.061mmLimit = 0.08mmMain journal diameter:STD mark 0 = 46.995-47.000mmSTD mark 1 = 46.990-46.995mmSTD mark 2 = 46.985-46.990mmMain bearing centre wall thickness:STD mark 1 = 1.995-1.999mmSTD mark 2 = 1.999-2.003mmSTD mark 3 = 2.003-2.007mmSTD mark 4 = 2.007-2.011mmSTD mark 5 = 2.011-2.015mmU/S 0.25 = 2.115-2.123mmCrank pin diameter:STD = 39.985-40.000mmU/S 0.25 = 39.745-39.755mmLimit = 0.06mmCircle runout (Limit) = 0.06mmMain journal taper and out-of-round (Limit) = 0.02mmCrank pin taper and out-of-round (Limit) = 0.02mmTorque settings:Cylinder head bolt:First 36ftlbSecond - turn 90 degrees in same sequenceCylinder head to camshaft bearing cap:9ftlbCylinder head to intake manifold:14ftlbCylinder head to exhaust manifold:35ftlbCylinder head to water outlet housing:13ftlbCylinder head to Cylinder head cover:61inlb ** note inch pounds, not foot pounds! **Camshaft to Camshaft timing pulley:37ftlbCylinder block to crankshaft bearing cap:42ftlbCylinder block to rear main oil seal retainer:65inlb ** again note inch pounds **Cylinder block to oil filter union:18ftlbCrankshaft to flywheel:65ftlbCon-rod cap to con-rod:29ftlb (18ftlb then +90 degrees)Oil pump pulley to drive rotor:27ftlbthis needs to be pinned or wiki'd most useful piece of information ive seen on ukso for long time,hats off to you colin im impressed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 this needs to be pinned or wiki'd most useful piece of information ive seen on ukso for long time,hats off to you colin im impressed Thats straight from toyotagtturbo lol Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
russ78 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Thats straight from toyotagtturbo lol Philhaha ill take that back thn colin but still should be adopted by ukso so much useful info there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Thats straight from toyotagtturbo lol Phil :) my 2nd home Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 haha ill take that back thn colin but still should be adopted by ukso so much useful info there bollox why i already did my share for the site ha ha :-p Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 If your asking what i think you are asking then.. you need to get a micrometer or engineer to take a look at your crank and tell you what size you need. PhilHello Phil he did give me a bit of paper and on it, it said mains 43 ends 43 if this means anythings that's after it had a polish as didn't need a regrind as got another crank, as my original one was a mess 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Colin mate I'm beginning to think your a toyota starlet guru your always on to most things I have noticed, and your an absolute star for helping me out and others out, I don't know what other people do when putting an engine back together esoecially when it comes to the clearances etc etc it's just thrown me when toyota and as stated in the link what standard mk bearings I need 1, 2 or 3 and I certainly don't wanna pick and hope for the best needs to be spot on, So what I will do is put the caps back on 1 to 5 and torque them up to what the spec says then get a micrometer and measure the hole inside write them down ( will put the results in here) is this correct please?Then I will put the ROD caps back on and torque them to the right spec and measure the gap in them, write them down and post them in here is that correct please? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 yes you can do that but make sure to measure right patman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 With all the help your giving me mate dam right it's gonna be measured right, this is what messed the rebuild up first time round I can't afford to have it done again, will have I wait till Monday now to do it well I won't be my mechanic will 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) Hello lads just been doing the measuring for these bearings:crankshaft mains are 47.00mm stdBig ends crankshaft (rods) are 40.00mm stdMain bearings diameter on all 5 is 45.9mm (almost 46.00mm)Rod ends diameter on all 4 are 43.00mmPlease could someone tell me which size bearings I need please mk 1, 2 or 3 for big end and mains I would so appericate this in a big way Thanks Pat Edited October 13, 2014 by patman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 i need tighter measurements then that you only have thents and hundrerds !!!! we need the measurements in thousands patman like 45.995 you need a finer gauge to measure you see where you say ere """"" Main bearings diameter on all 5 is 45.9mm (almost 46.00mm)!!!! in that 45.9 to 46 is a tent and 5 different or more sizes bearing will fit in that thent !!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 you need 1 of these for crank measurements http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RDGTOOLS-25-50MM-1-2-DIGITAL-MICROMETER-METRIC-IMPERIAL-MEASURING-TOOLS-/371089034947?pt=UK_Measuring_Tools_Levels&hash=item5666a14ec3 cant find a bore gauge for our size on egay sorry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Thankyou Colin mate now I need to know what exact gauge I need to do this if anyone has any ideas The bloke from the engineering shop gave me:Mains on crankshaft 47.00mmBig ends on crankshaft 40.00mmRod bore 43.00mmMaybe he has just rounded off to the nearest hundreds as you said not thousands? So it's a case now of what gauge I need to get 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Jesus seems a lot of money just for a gauge this is getting headache material now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patman Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Jesus seems a lot of money just for a gauge this is getting headache material now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Thankyou Colin mate now I need to know what exact gauge I need to do this if anyone has any ideas The bloke from the engineering shop gave me: Mains on crankshaft 47.00mm Big ends on crankshaft 40.00mm Rod bore 43.00mm Maybe he has just rounded off to the nearest hundreds as you said not thousands? So it's a case now of what gauge I need to get really an engineer told you them measurements jeeeeeeeez thats no good patman there never all the same size anyways , thats why we have difernt sizes to go in has the engineer rebuild a engine before ?????? because he should not of given them short measurements attal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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