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Bloody bargain lol! ;) Joz

Its OK Keirz. Come to the TOKYO meet instead ;) Joz

By all means get a 5efhe Bourkey. I would like to see one in an EP. Just have someone waiting in the wings to wire it for you. All the best. We've all said our piece so the choice is yours ;) Joz

Yea but all you got was the bottom end Joz

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Excellent Stuff Feel free to get involved and enjoy ;) Joz

Hi Bourkey Regarding the sensors, you just change them over. Like I said one is a water sensor under the dizzycap and the other I cant recall but its not difficult. Somebody will be able to pinpoint exactly where they are. You will use your old starlet exhaust mate, as the seo one will be different, will save you a lot of hassle anyway. And the rolla mani will bolt on the same as it would a 4efe and gives similar benefits, they are the same engine basically, with a 10mm taller block the main difference. Im using the rolla mani with my setup. The sensors etc are the least of your worries, it will be your main mission to find a decent example of a 5efe. Joz

Welcome to Jon & Vic. Nice to have you both on board. Hope you enjoy your stay and find a nice starlet. Feel free to ask anything and enjoy the site. Also liking your Civic Jon, she a Jordan? Joz - Moderating Team -

Black & Orange mate. Keep the theme & be creative ;) Joz

Like I said Bourkey, no worries mate. Always happy to share knowledge with others, its what we're all here for. Like the Dubman said, it is a worthwhile conversion in starlet n/a terms and will freshen her up a 'lil' bit with some added torque. All the best with your decision. Joz

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It will be fine Robert. MJ had his done in matt black and it was fine. If you are hell bent on keeping out heat then use heatproof black paint, and leave it matt or gloss it. The inlet mani does not attract 'as much' heat as other manifolds in the bay but will attract a little. The colour you paint it will not have a detrimental effect mate, but if you must use black and are worried about attracting a few more degrees of heat then heatproof paint it black, altho with heatproof paints you are limited in the colours available. If you powercoated it, the colour chart is your oyster. Hope this helps. Joz

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The ep91 4efe and paseo 5efe ecus are identical in their plugs and fitment mate, so you can replace one with the other. You may find that you will need to somehow get past your factory immobilser as the 5efe ecu was not designed to run with your existing loom. But you may get lucky as it has worked for some people. You will know if it doesnt as the engine starts up a few seconds then dies (which is what an immobiliser does) There are a few fixes for this, but I will leave someone else to answer that. Most people who have done the conversion used the 4efe ecu also. It is ideal to run the 5efe ecu as it has the correct values/basemap for the engine but you will be set at a lower rev limit of 5800. The 5efe runs fine on the 4efe ecu but its not ideal. Yes mate, it really is such a simple switch, its just getting a decent one ;) Joz

You're welcome Bourkey. You use your existing loom mate, so no messing about ;) Joz

I'm just a lucky guy Bourkey. And is that all the thanks I get??? Just kidding lol ;) Read it again as I prob added some stuff since you saw it last ;) ^ Expect to pay around £350 inc ecu from a scrapyard. Joz

Hey Bourkey mate. The 5efe is indeed a good n/a upgrade which will not cost the earth to do. I have recently done this conversion myself and I am quite satisfied. However you would know that Im not running a 'standard' 5e setup so to speak but you will still have noticeable gains running a stock 5efe and of course can build on it yourself. And of course there is scope to run a turbo on it at a later stage. Altho if you wanted to get its true potential you would have to run higher boost which will need everything in the engine to be forged. You can run it on low boost on standard internals but that would kinda defeat the object eh... There are many types of 5efe engines (JDM/USDM/UK but the most useful to you is the UK Spec 5efe and the most easily obtainable from the UK Toyota Paseo which also shares the same chassis as us altho it is rare to find a low mileage ones these days. It is also a 'drop in' engine and the only issues are changing over a few sensors namely a water sensor under the dizzy cap and one other I cant recall. You can also run the 4efe ecu which is what Im running at the moment, ideally you want to run the 5efe ecu as it was intended for the 5efe but due to it not agreeing with my immobiliser I couldnt run it. I will changing to more superior engine management later so its not that much of a prob for me. Also the 4efe ecu allows 6200 rev limit while the 5efe allows only 5800. The 5efe engine is geared towards mid range torque (making it a torquier engine) and does not respond as well to high revving like the 4efe. The 5efe will give you 89bhp and 96ft tq vs the 74bhp and 86ft torque you get from your 4efe. It may not seem like a huge increase but it will make your starlet more responsive and more fun to drive. Examples would be overtaking easier, pulling off faster with less effort and also getting to higher speeds quicker. Overall making your starlet a more efficient machine, not a miracle but at least even it up a little compared to todays hot hatches. At the end of the day, the 5efe is a 4efe with a 10mm higher block and thats the truth altho it is slightly less compression than the 4efe, 9:6:1 compared to 9:8:1. You can pass it off without telling insurance as the block is identical looking bar an engine code which is located underneath the exhaust manifold, which they wont find unless they are really in the know. Its also a safe upgrade so I wouldnt worry about it too much. I bought my 5efe for £250 which included all ancillaries and the 5efe ecu. The mileage was approx 26k. I had it couriered over to me in Ireland from the UK. Thats how much I wanted a low mileage example and I was very lucky to get it. You may find it hard to find a good example as most Paseo engines are 70k onwards. You may have heard of the 5efhe which is higher compression (jdm engine found in toyota sera/cynos) but it is harder to find one especially in good condition and mileage and altho it is a drop in, it will have wiring issues similar to the fte (It also has a knock sensor) You can find more info on the 5efhe engine in a writeup I done in the technical section. I can say that it performs and operates at its potential at higher revs, the torque power band is constant throughout the rev range which is a bonus. Again this has more benefits than the 5efe but will be hard to find, cost you a little more and will have wiring issues, but it is possible. The figures from the 5efhe vary but it would be safe to say it is around 108/110 bhp and 100ft torque. 5efhe which are equipped with the 'acis' manifold dont increase power as such but will activate secondary runners which will increase torque and efficiency. These are quite rare. Also talk directly to the handful of people who have done the 5efe n/a conversion Bourkey. whitestarlet dub-se7en tr1cky They will give you an idea of what benefits the 5efe gives and what is involved from a different perspective. Its good to hear different opinions on it also, so that you can get a better idea of what to expect etc. Hope this helps ;) Joz

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Meeting the rest of UKSC in person is worth more than money can buy Sparko! ;) Im afraid I can't as Im sworn to live and die by the starlet sword, I am not worthy. Joz

Sounds good mate. Shame about the puncture but these things happen. Im sure you'll be all ready for JAE. Joz

Nice going bro. Looking forward to your next acid concoction. Joz

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Dirty mind think alike. Me Too, me too! Pics!!! Joz

Cmon mate, can't beat a bit of cheese! Its more robert miles meets bryan adams. Nice going craig, I love trance/electronica. On a lighter note, I just had lunch ;) Joz

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