scutch0 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 ok, im really confused about this... in theory it is possable to strap a ct9 to a 4efe with just the basics, no boost controller, no bov, just the glanza/gt manifold,ct9 and dump pipe rigged up to the exhaust with some simple pipework to a front mounted 4efte tmic and either a glanza ecu if it'd work or a microtech aftermarket jobbie... this is do able so i have been told for simple turbo fun.but i heard rumors that the glanza/gt manifold wont fit to the 4e block? is this true?does anyone else have any ideas about a cheaper turbo 4efe setup?Rich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 i canot understad why the glanza/gt manafold would not mate to the block..the blocks are the same...to complete the conversion and for ease aswell it would be wise to source an fte intake manifold ontop of some gt turbo injectors...the stadard one is no efficient atall for airflow due to the long thin runners.a fte sump would also make it easy as you would not need to drill a hole in your origenal sump for the oil return. using the stock bov would save more moneythere would be an eliment of rewiring involved for the glanza ecu for different sensors so a microtech makes sense as it just plugs into where the old ecu was plus you have all that adjustability of a reprogramable ecu.the only drawback is mapping but if you knew what to look for its not that hardhas anyone else heard about the manifold not fitting? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 the most expensive part would definatly be the microtech but all the rest should be peanuts to source... and the car would definatly be more drivable off boost due to the higher compersion meaning there should be heaps more torque lower downn the revrange... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scutch0 Posted August 29, 2005 Author Share Posted August 29, 2005 fte intake manifold ontop of some gt turbo injectors very true... forgot about that one.Rich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scutch0 Posted August 29, 2005 Author Share Posted August 29, 2005 and the car would definatly be more drivable off boost due to the higher compersion meaning there should be heaps more torque lower downn the revrange...this is exactly why im thinking this way at the mo, ive heard the ct9 spools up quite quickly, so it'd be the perfect package for someone just after a bit more poke from the 4efe, i think this would be do able for about £900 max which is peanuts when your talking about turboing a car, considering you'll probably be getting about 120bhp at least i would have thought.Rich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 yea totaly. im thinking you might get even more power due to the microtech..thats basicaly the bulk of the purchase at around 500beansyour torque curve would be as flat as the equater too!do you think you would need an oil filter relocater aswell to clear the manifold? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scutch0 Posted August 29, 2005 Author Share Posted August 29, 2005 true, forgot about the oil filter relocator, apparently you can get the one off the 4efte to work with only the centre bolt, is that right?Rich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ivan Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 yes, you can use the 4efte one, but they are hard to source from what i can tell.I will have one soon so will see how it goes.Ivan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 The 4EFE and 4EFTE injectors are the samei thought fte ones were 295 as aposed to 195 in the na starlet.? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scutch0 Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 The 4EFE internals and gearbox cannot sustain the power upgrade. i also used think this, but from what ive heard the reliablity depends on the tune.dale (braidedlines.com) from the austarletclub runs a td04l turbo setup on his totally standard internals 4efe and runs 20psi every day and has had no problems (at 204bhp) with its normal compression. he uses a microtech aftermarket ecu.Rich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baz14062003 Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 i calle dup calder racing developments bout 1 year ago bout doiing this to my sr starlet and was told that it vcant be done id need to put a full turbo engine etc in due to dif conbustions lol ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Toby@ToyTuning.com Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Bare in mind this relates to aus law but you can get an idea of what is involved. Im selling everything needed for an engine swap including ready ecu/loom if anyone is interested.So you want to turbo your starlet? Good on you This thread is a general guide to what needs to be done, what you can cut corners, and how much you can expect to pay. It's very easy to see the "$1300" price tag for the basic turbo kit and assume that's all you are going to have to spend. Unfortunately this is not the case. You have 2 options. 1: 4efte transplant from ep82 GT or glanza V2: 4efet (turbo your 4efe stocko engine) Option 1 should give you 100kW at the fly Option 2 should give you appx 135kW at the fly First of all, differences / similarities between the turbo import engine and the stocko Aus engine: Block is the same Crank is the same Cams are very similar, 1mm difference Connecting rods almost if not identical Fuel pump identical No extra oil squirters Compression ratio from 9.6 - 8.2 (Pistons slightly larger to make this) 4efte gearbox stronger 4efte clutch slightly stronger 4efte oil sump has oil return from turbo 4efte drive shafts thicker 4efte supsension slightly different That being said, there are 4efe's that have been turbo charged and been running powerfully happy at 15psi for many km's OPTION 1 Positives with transplant: Bolt in fit Fairly cheap Should get some funky white Glanza V dials Should be able to sell some parts for money if not needed Should only be one - two days labour to drop everything Goes fast Negatives with transplant: The engine could be in bad condition, it has happened in the past Water pump / timing belt / fuel / oil filters / oil should be replaced Transport of the half cut Needs EPA tests and engineering to register Expected Costs: Half cuts range from $1500-$3500 $500 exhaust (cat, catback, muffler, fitting) $40 Oil $80 Spark plugs (good ones) $80 Fuel Filter $7 Oil Filter $65 Timing belt $150 Water pump $1000 labour (maybe cheaper if import is GlanzaV) Free: EPA test $120-$500 Engineers Certificate Overall budget of transplant: DIY: $3500-$4500 Pro: $4500-$5500 OPTION 2 Positives: Will go crazy fast, much more power than stock CT9 4efte engine Engine no. remains the same (no engineers cert / EPA test required) Some items upgraded would have to be upgraded in transplant engine if more power was desired anyhow (such as intercooler, clutch etc) Kit available with much success Running higher compression will give better off boost performance Negatives: Cost Gearbox has to be treated with more respect Brakes aren't as great as import half cut Many things are required to happen to do this upgrade Expected Costs: $300 2nd hand turbo $3160 Comprehensive turbo kit (including ecu, manifold, lines, air filter, fuel regulator) $1100 Turbo back exhaust (including dump, flex, cat, muffler, fitting) $1275 Water / air intercooler (including piping, hoses, clamps etc) $430 New clutch to hold the power $300 Tune $40 Turbo happy oil $150 Injectors (such as 4agze) Pro Installation: $650 remove / install old / new turbo setup $150 install water / air cooler $250 clutch Overall budget of 4efet DIY: $6750 Pro: $7750 What corners you can cut: Load preset on ECU by Dale, -$300 tune Cheap 2nd hand intercooler + mild steel piping, -$600 Use stock clutch (will slip after 6psi), -$430 Cheapest budget cutting corners DIY: $5450 The difference in price is quite substantial, but so is the power output After the conversion / turbo: Further upgrades you can look at: Even larger injectors Fuel pump Boost controllers Limited slip differential Engine internals More engineers cert's ... does it end? choose wisely and enjoy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scutch0 Posted September 4, 2005 Author Share Posted September 4, 2005 yup.http://www.braidedlines.com/starlet.phphave a read mate. ;) Rich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bilal Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 braidedline r sum job fork me like! insane stuff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ivan Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Just so you know, running 20psi on a standard 4EFE is not safe. The internals were not built for it and its only a matter of time before it breaks. Also i do not believe he drives it day in and day out at 20psi as he has mentioned, i think he told a little fib about that as he clearly stated that the fuel started breaking at around 17psi. Go figure. Also take not of what you want the car for, would you rather high HP or have better midrange and bottom end?I am in no means saying that it cant make 200hp, cause it obviously can, but you have to look at the reliability and of the car which to me, and im sure alot more other people is a priority.Regards,Ivan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scutch0 Posted September 9, 2005 Author Share Posted September 9, 2005 you have to look at the reliability and of the car which to me, and im sure alot more other people is a priority agreedi would like to have much better midrange and top end power.insurance is a fuckin joke over here though.Rich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SiCaln Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 agree qith u there Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scutch0 Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 its stupid, i can get insured on a 96 glanza for £1100 but a ct9 on my car will cost me £2236 a year, tpft!!!what a joke.Rich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lobotomy Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 They consider it more likely to burst into flames if it's not OEM though... which implies that you're more likely to claim on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
10sec_Rx7 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Just so you know, running 20psi on a standard 4EFE is not safe. The internals were not built for it and its only a matter of time before it breaks. Also i do not believe he drives it day in and day out at 20psi as he has mentioned, i think he told a little fib about that as he clearly stated that the fuel started breaking at around 17psi. Go figure. Also take not of what you want the car for, would you rather high HP or have better midrange and bottom end?I am in no means saying that it cant make 200hp, cause it obviously can, but you have to look at the reliability and of the car which to me, and im sure alot more other people is a priority.Regards,Ivan<{POST_SNAPBACK}>hahahah once again ivan talks things he knows nothing about!! LOLyou wouldnt know what boost my car ran ivan, hell you have never been it, never seen under the bonnet of it, never seen it on the road... and you were there when it made over 200hp at the tyres on the dyno day....there are a few people in the au starlet club that have seen the peak hold on the eboost at 22psireliable?? hell yeh, the car has done over 70,000km turboed, the engine has 170,000km on it, the new owner drives it harder than what i did,did it ever break anything in the engine?? NO IT DIDNT, lots of other people have broken there cars and as i have said in the past it is all in the tune.when YOU actaully start making things and not talking about them some people might have some respect for you, until then you can keep talking how your gunna do this and gunna do that with no proven results, we actually made everything and tested it before we even talked about it....its quite funny actually as one of my customers actually sent me this link and told me to check it out..Dale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ivan Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 I would love to tell all the little stories your aquaintences and friends have told me about you and your car but im sure no-one is actully that interested.The fact still stands that the 4efe engine and driveline are not suited for turbocharging as it is weaker! i have both engines apart and i can show you what hte differences are! if you want a nasty supprise costing you a couple of grand down the track, by all means, go for it!As for my products, i will personally notify you when they have been released officially considering you seem to be oh so interested.ivan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SiCaln Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 ouch cat fight lads lolwell im interested what bits are you gonna release mate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bilal Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 puttin a turbo on a 4EFE with high miles is not good i take it? id take an option of buyin a 4EFTE n slappin it in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SiCaln Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 yeah i have one in case anyone is interested? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bilal Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Im lookin 1 but not yet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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