TimD Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 So, how many of you run a 'cheap' EWG and have no trouble what so ever with its performance? Struggling to see the merit in spending £200+ on something that I can get for £80 which doesn't have a fancy name stamped into it, or am I missing the point, and the cheap ones are truly terrible? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idrees Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 For the sake of £100 why skimp on something so important that could end up costing a lot more if things go wrong?Besides when you're done with it, it's still worth at least £150 whereas the eBay rubbish won't be worth £20.Just my 2p. TiAL ftw. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akyakapotter Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 If you want to spike to over 2 bar and blow a hole in your block put a cheap nasty one in it if you want it to do its job how it should get a genuine tial or turbo smarts. At then of the day buy cheap buy twice as the saying goes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 Are you speaking from experience or hearsay? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idrees Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I've never thought about running a cheap EWG, but we've certainly had customers ordering TiAL's when their cheaper ones have failed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akyakapotter Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Are you speaking from experience or hearsay?Good friend of mine fitted one with in 10mins of fitting it boost spiked to 2bar plus and cost him £750 for a new engine and the cost of a proper waste gate it's up to you though bud I know what I'd do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 i had 1 it was like tial 38mm 2 bolt it held boost rock solid the same till the limiter noooo issues what so ever they can alway be modded to work better if they leak like mike did lapping the valve to seal better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Cost price Tial would be nice. just need to convince them my employer needs one lol Going through this at the moment myself. couldnt justify full price, have never had issues with the knock off but i will see what turns up. Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 I'd have thought the only issue you'd see is leaking, or not being able to hold boost. But at the pressures we're working at (around 1bar) I doubt you'd see much difference between a £80 one and £250 for a turbosmart, but happy to be proved wrong. What they're doing isn't exactly rocket science now, is it? Good friend of mine fitted one with in 10mins of fitting it boost spiked to 2bar plus and cost him £750 for a new engine and the cost of a proper waste gate it's up to you though bud I know what I'd do Sounds to me like it was fitted incorrectly, but thanks for the input. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I dont really see how they can jam shut if you check them and lap them in well. Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akyakapotter Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I'd have thought the only issue you'd see is leaking, or not being able to hold boost. But at the pressures we're working at (around 1bar) I doubt you'd see much difference between a £80 one and £250 for a turbosmart, but happy to be proved wrong. What they're doing isn't exactly rocket science now, is it? Sounds to me like it was fitted incorrectly, but thanks for the input.He's a mechanic it was fitted properly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 He's a mechanic it was fitted properly but it must have been broken before fitment, like the mechanism is abc simple. it must have been badly machined or stuck before fitment that the mechanic mustnt have checked. Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akyakapotter Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Shouldn't have to check really but susspose these cheap ones arnt quality controlled like the expensive ones Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) ^^^ tip of the week :) must check everything that goos on my car Edited March 27, 2015 by 5e colin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Shouldn't have to check really but susspose these cheap ones arnt quality controlled like the expensive ones exactly. Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ollieh17 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 There was a guy on driftworks who leaked tested them. All leaked like a sieve supposedly apart from turbosmart ones. The tials and hks were just as bad as the ebay ones he found Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 There was a guy on driftworks who leaked tested them. All leaked like a sieve supposedly apart from turbosmart ones. The tials and hks were just as bad as the ebay ones he found id want them freshly lapped in whatever you where using. Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maddox710 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Tbh I think my tial is playing up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikey4410 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 have been running a cheapy copy ewg for around a year now DAILY.It performs superbly and is flawless. never ever goes over what I set it to.however I think the only reason it works so well is because I lapped in the valve and seat so they matched properly as standard they are not a good fit and / or matched.I would ideally go for a tial one but dont have that cash. very very happy with my ewg.as with any wastegate the boost control is a huge part of how it works./>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS2q6G6kmB4&feature=youtube_gdata_player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikey4410 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 what phil said about the lapping in is incredibly important ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
_shaun_ Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I wouldn't trust them unless someone had ran that exact one for awhile and it was bang on. even still I'd think twice. It's an abc simple design yes but a fuel rails the simplest design you can think of it doesn't even have any moving parts and look at the fitment of the cj performance ones Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't trust them unless someone had ran that exact one for awhile and it was bang on. even still I'd think twice. It's an abc simple design yes but a fuel rails the simplest design you can think of it doesn't even have any moving parts and look at the fitment of the cj performance ones True True... And there is machine shops and there are machine shops like anything, even mechanics arent always all that (rarely all that) My mechanic can map HKS/link/motec/omex/emerald/EMS/AEM/etc..... but i know some that wouldnt pass a GCSE knowing what your dealing with is important, and i suppose why extra care should be taken when using chinese stuff. Phil Edited March 27, 2015 by Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan-11 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Bought a cheap one years ago, it wouldn't boost above 1 bar so bought a Tial, under 1 bar it was spot on, I gave it to a mate to use! he had no problems apart from the diaphragm burst eventually. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikey4410 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 the diaphram in either a tial or a cheapy is still a silcone style material thing and heat will not help how it wears.my external sits right down bottom of car and is cooled down there and heats not an issue,infact I can grab mine after a normal 1hour drive and its just warm. this will help undoubtedly the life of the wastegate.thats why I dont like the wastegates that sit ontop of the mani and only a few inches of off it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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