Nope not really lol, the only truely serious part was the patronisation, that was real. i was only winding you up because you were so annoyed at my quoted response. Rhetorical is fine, if the question makes the right point, im quite sure yours didnt, but i daren't say anymore about whats right or wrong eh. Thats fine, you may be able to understand my response in light of the fact that despite your 'skim' approach, one of the random things you felt was contradictory was posted my me. and it wasn't in fact contradictory. Apologies again for the multi-quote usage. Phil