its also the relative value of cars. a supra or skyline, costs 12000 for a real nice one, so a nice seat or wheels is the norm, after all forging a motor is only for mental power. whereas in a starlet/civic your build and buying ooodles of bits for a 1500quid car.... and then baulk at the price tag of the big wheel/seat prices. its understandable. Skyline - do you want to spend 1000 on wheels or keep your 1000 pound? buy the wheels gotta spend it on something mentality. Starlet - do you want to spend 800 on wheels or 800 on forged piston/rod combo? harder to choose the wheels! Phil