that would be lush geo, but i doubt t would happe with any tgtt boys. you know the attitude over there. and to answer 180kph's questions. this payment thing is sheer profit, they were already getting 800+ euros a year from trader accounts to pay for the site. and also macker has that awesome beg going on for his supra that had raised a good few quid... if this happened to uksc, then yes, id help, but i know it would be genuine and it wouldnt be a tenner just to post... ge isnt a cunt and it would only be enough to cover running costs. and, i do help people, if youve been on there for any length of time you will notice that i help out lots on there, and to suggest i should pay for this, are you stupid? it will be like that for all of the knowledgable members, youll end up with loads of noobs like you on there, throwing about all your bullshit information and it will just be a jumble of bullshit. all you new boys who have joined here can go back to your elite forum and pay all you like. its still bullshit and youre paying to be part of the elitist crowd. and for your information, i can, and do run a successful website/business in my spare time, so hat little dig didnt really work did it?