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I TOOK DRUGS. Play with cars... . I'm seriously considering racing a saxo in the rookie rods next year by the way xxxxx

It's oe quality supposedly so should be just as good as toyota. Blueprint are widely known as probably the most popular second line part supplier with a good reputation. Comparing the gaskets side by side they look the same where as some don't... I'd confidently say this will be just as good as toyota.

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I actually lost my paint tin so I don't have the code annoyingly. I went back to the shop to try find the same colour but couldn't lol. I remember it was a toyota colour and was called brown.

My clutch has started slipping on the GT and I need a new one. I'm aiming to run around 220bhp so would prefer a paddle for piece of mind but depends on price and remaining life. What have you got? Cheers. Adam.

Some fair points mate. Agreed with the fact they're an import and stuff is harder to come by. But that said you can still get stuff from Toyota and second line suppliers and in a lot of cases, you will only pay like £10 more for genuine brand new stuff than you would for the "going rate" of second hand parts... Like someone said earlier, a set of 96 spec lights for whatever it was, and people are selling them at the same price second hand and nearly 20 years old lol. Stuff that doesn't sell often and their prices shock me too. Like when I was looking for them locks for Jo's car and someone wanted £50 collected. Thankfully you had a set and didn't want anything, but if you didn't then I realistically would have said £20-£25 for some locks was sufficient lol. I know it doesn't apply to everything and deals are to be had now and again if you're fast enough. But a lot of prices are a piss take.

Use a load of washers and some longer bolts lol

Fair enough point. If you have the tools and the knowledge or help of someone that knows then go for it lol. As said above, the cheaper stuff to go for is the seamless tube which you will be able to buy in lengths... It probably isn't that hard to make a half cage if you have a few basic measuring tools, pipe bender, hacksaw and a welder.

As a community maybe we should consider to all sell parts cheaper and sell the cars whole for a little more? After all we do make the prices ourselves? It can only really apply to starlet specific parts as other bits could still be taken off and sold in other scenes but it might end up that there are like 200 starlets popping up for sale quite often which people enjoy and pass on instead of 200 starlets being broken every month and bits being spread everywhere ... Might just have the same effect on prices in the end though as there are none about because no one is breaking them anymore lol!? I like that I'm not the only one that thinks stuff is overpriced. I've been called a tight cunt a few times when I didn't feel I was being particularly unfair when buying stuff lol. Lots of fair comments too. For some I suppose it's more about making some money and coming out on top which is only natural as we all want to make money in life... Without sounding too much of a cunt and being blunt, I think it just boils down to greedy sellers and stupid buyers with too much money that make it more expensive for everyone... I can't see it changing, prices will probably even go up. Eventually they will actually become rare to the point where you struggle to find parts, you either pay an arm and a leg to repair stuff because only the few people left in the scene are now specialist breakers and charge you your dick in a pickle jar for a wishbone. At that point I think most realistic people will join the club and split to sell and move onto something else, which again, only sends us more in the same direction... I wonder if this is what happened to all other classic cars? Might be worth asking our elders who did the same when they were our age lol. I suppose over all it's hard to see if high prices help the scene or damage it. Currently loads are broken and prices are high... If stuff changed maybe less would be broken because parts were selling for less, but parts would then be rarer, then because they were rarer it might even have the opposite effect and prices go up even more, and everyone would break them again. Think I'll just start a fabrication company and make aftermarket parts for when there are no genuine parts left lol!

I will make one next year . Rob H has some footage online for me somewhere that I may be able to make something from. Lmao!

Also on the skyline comparison. You can get plug and play ECUs for the liners just like the ones you get for the starlets and they go for about £100... Yet in our scene people sell them for £500 odd. How can that be justified lol.

Keep the prices High so that no one can afford to have fun with them? To be honest with current prices people ask we could reduce the prices of parts and still sell the cars for the same price lol. Why make it so hard for ourselves to be able to afford to run these cars? What's the point in being skint all the time deliberately just so that in 20 years your now 4k car will be worth 10k in bits. I don't feel they're supposed to be locked in a garage to be sold as an investment in 20 years. They're not ornaments lol. They're just cars (as much as we love them) and we should be driving them and enjoying them whilst we're young surely. If you want a garage queen to sit on and just gather dust to make a little money in the future then surely you aught to get something a little more tasteful like an old jag or at least a cosworth or something. Starlets are just considered to be shopping trolleys in Japan so I can't imagine the demand will be high in 20 years and I can't imagine anyone would pay big bucks for one in 20 years whether it's mint or not. Even so it doesn't change that prices for parts are overpriced. You can still sell the car whole for 4k for example but maybe in bits it were only worth 3.5k. Makes more sense that buying a car whole makes it worth a little more rather than the other way around.

How can you justify spending over a grand on drive shafts? Lol. I'm not sure how to answer without sounding unreasonable. But I would still expect to pay no more than £100 even for new units seeing as they have no benefit overy 2nd hand shafts with new joints which you can probably replace at like £40 a side?... why did you buy new shafts? Lol! I suppose it's a tricky one with near new aftermarket parts. I think it's a case of being reasonable and realistic. Wideband for example costs 130 new, maybe secondhand sell it on for 80? Not expecting to find stuff like that for £20 but should have more than £10 discount from rrp lol I have noticed that prices in Ireland seem to be much more reasonable on average.

Name and shame. Pathetic behavior that makes people think fuck it, not helping anyone out again. Might seem far stretched but that's the kind of thing I would happily tell everyone I knew in the scene over small banter. Avoid them in the future, don't help them out again and eventually it'll come back to them. Exactly the kind of people no one wants in a community. Fair points again. I think though if parts weren't overpriced then everyone would be on a win. You still get the same enjoyment out of stuff and you still get your money back when you sell it. It just means you can actually afford it in the first place and experience it instead of just dreaming about it... Yeah you can build a car on a budget, but by the time you've finally found all the bits you want at decent prices, it's probably taken you years and years and then you're selling the parts on for more than what you paid for them and end up being the person selling stuff overpriced because you can lol.... If all prices came down as a whole and everyone were more realistic, we would all have more of the bits we wanted and the only thing that would change is the over all value of the cars. Which would be a shame. But you'd be trading value for fun in my opinion. Sure your car might be worth £500 less at the end of it but you saved that money on the parts in the first place. If I earned a little more I may as well go for the R32 I've always wanted lol.

Very true and fair point. I don't really even have a problem with people breaking the cars, it's just what prices parts are sold at once they've broken the cars. The more cars that are broken would technically bring prices down, but it seems loads are being broken yet prices stay sky high... I could probably justify spending a little more on parts if there were only one car broke every month for example.

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I disagree. I just bought a set of lights as I said for £55 when I think realistically they should be sold at about £20 a pair. Also if my engine blew tomorrow I would either have to buy a new one or use public transport and I don't really fancy public transport... So I'd have no other option than to buy a lump for more than what I think is reasonable seeing as they're all around the 450 500 mark now for some reason which just seems crazy to me when an FE can be bought for £80 from a scrapyard.

That is the exact reason, but it's killing the scene for me. As an OWNER and not a scrap yard, I can't keep justifying spending the extra dosh on parts to build a nice EP when I could be spending half the amount and building a nicer car in a different scene... Yeah it may be good for selling, but it's making it harder and so much more expensive to not only modify and make a beast, but even just maintain and look after them.

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Lol when I say chavs I basically mean younger ens that don't have a clue or give a shit about maintaining a car, get in it, fuck it, don't give a shit, eventually kill it and scrap it.

And that's how it should be! Doesn't seem to be the case for me what so ever.

Think this is on every cam cover from factory mate. It's just saying to change the belt every 100,000km. If you have no history it might be worth considering changing it for a piece of mind, although I've not even heard of a 4e snapping a belt and they're a none interference engine anyway so wouldn't bend anything.

So this is just my opinion and something that crosses my mind on a regular basis. This is probably because I'm always skint and yet I don't really spend money on anything apart from car parts (it's true, ask my mrs). Take it with a pinch of salt, it's more food for thought and I don't expect a revolution to happen lol. Second hand prices for parts within the starlet scene seem to be a lot of the time, a fucking rip off, in comparison with other cars and parts or just when you use common sense. For example, people are willing to pay like £30 for a window motor? £50 for a single driveshaft? Bonnets for about the £70 mark and standard bumpers for near £100 sometimes. You can get all that stuff for similar cars for less than £5-£20. Wind deflectors go for like £60, a used but working AEM wideband goes for £120 when you can get them brand new for £130 in america. I just had to pay £55 for some rear lights, and god forbid you want something like a roll cage because you'll be looking to pay about £500 to £800. I personally think 90% of stuff is overpriced and who do we have to blame? No one but ourselves because we make the prices up! We're all guilty of being greedy and selling something for more than we probably think it's worth. Well why wouldn't you when think someone will pay that little extra? Someone sells caliper for £80, someone else sees that sale and puts theirs up for £90. Someone else in dire need for one buys it and before you know it calipers are now worth at least £80 each. The sellers made a few more quid than they realistically should have done and in turn the values of breaking starlets goes up again, and there's another expensive part on the list that people dread having to buy. On one hand, it keeps the 17 year old chavs away because it's all expensive and in turn I suppose it keeps starlets going longer. On the other hand the cars are worth so much in parts that no one bothers keeping them on the road when selling them on because you can make as much as an extra grand or two by splitting them and selling in bits. At the end of it all we all spend a fortune buying stuff and eventually having the car you wanted after 4-5 years of buying stuff, when if parts were just realistically priced and fair, you could have twice the car or have got it where you wanted to in half the time. What can we do? We can all reduce our prices.... The same effect as prices going up but in reverse. Someone sells that same caliper at £15, someone else sees and puts theirs up for £20. Sooner or later people will refuse to spend more than £25 on a caliper.... Who wants to go first!? Not me LOL. I can't see this happening. We haggle more and refuse to pay stupid prices until they reduce... I suppose this could work, but I still think it would be 50/50 and the people who are willing to pay stupid prices will just get the parts. Someone will always need a part just a little more than you do. We continue to pay stupid prices... This is an option. Hopefully when it comes to selling, stuff is still going for as much as you paid for it. Nothing gained nothing lost apart from the 10 years it took you to build that £30k 1.3 hatchback. I don't know... I'm sure some others have noticed that the scene is 90% market place and it's obviously for a reason. If I had the money to set up a unit and a few cars I'd be making an easy killer living just from breaking starlets. But as it is I'm scraping by with a mediocre car that needs a lot of work to be where I want it and despite doing everything myself from fitting tyres to spraying the whole thing and fabricating my own parts instead of buying them, I still find that I then have to blow £55 on some lights and can't help but think if I had a saxo I could have got them for a fiver lol. I'm sure there is so much more to add to this topic. It's just a thought I've had, some stuff is reasonably priced and I too sell stuff for "what it's worth" because I have to pay the same to buy it. Food for thought! Tell me what you think. Theories, ideas, reasons, pros and cons etc. Fire away. Adam.