freak Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 GuysI am trying to contact 3sgte dan, i will ne doing this conversion soon and would like to get some pointers from him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Haven't seen him on here in years im afraid. Could try pm'ing him as he'll get an email from that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turbo-fever Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Dan de Stefano I think is his name, now runs a supercharged m3, his on facebook Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SKINY Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I will be interested to see this to as I'm planning a 3sge swap in the future Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Socks Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 This car went long ago. Shame. He had issues with the engine tearing the engine mounts off the chassis tho... Besides its too heavy. 2zz conversion ive done is a bit heavier (due to using a 3sgte gearbox). With the extra weight of a 3sgte engine i couldn't imagine how horrid it must have been in the corners! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Theres a lad near me whos put a 3sgte in an EP85, hes also used the running gear from a GT4 aswell.Dont think hes on the forum though, probably about on facebook. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Socks Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Theres a lad near me whos put a 3sgte in an EP85, hes also used the running gear from a GT4 aswell.Dont think hes on the forum though, probably about on facebook. The amount of chopping involved to chassis legs. Rear end to mount the subframe. May as well have just used a ep82! kept the ep85 as there rare enough! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Tbh now im not 100% sure if the GT4 rear end was used, be good if it was to get rear disc brakes, IRS and keep the diff ratios matchedMight have been a AE86 axle used.Anyway back on topic, a 3sgte in a starlet isnt gonna be very good at anything other than drag racing really.Far to heavy at the front, zero weight at the back. Plus you need to use a ST202 fwd gearbox, which wont hold up for long with a 3sgte putting out decent power.And then youve the problem of mounts, you ideally need a fuckin big solid mount at the front of the box and same again for the rear. Aswell as a meaty engine mount and a side box to chassis mount. Then you need custom spring rates in decent coilovers to cope with the added weight. I had looked into this a few years ago but decided against it.Plus you can get a 4e to 400bhp+ without that much hassle.The swap isnt pointless, just seems a bit flawed imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 You would use a e153 mr2 turbo box. Bit of converting but nothing major and they can handle a lot of power and torque! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richglanzav Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 You would use a e153 mr2 turbo box. Bit of converting but nothing major and they can handle a lot of power and torque! is that the infamous toyota box that can handle upwards of 600 ft Ibs of torque from factory lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Socks Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 E153 is what I run . Its the box to have thats for sure! Its simply monsterous inside! As for 3sgte into ep again. You cant use the front bar as a mounting point. It isnt strong enough. (hence why I didnt) So you'd also need to fab additional subframe/bracing/mounting at the front.... Pic of dans car when it failed: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Socks Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 The other issue is ground clearance. When my sump is sorted out, on my 2zz. I will have the same ground clearance as a 4E. Despite the 2zz being a taller engine. However, the 3S-GTE is even bigger still. This is how much Dans GT had: The car wasnt lowered much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Why didnt Dan ever use an E153?Still dont see the point of ramming a 3S in a starlet bay, and still keeping it FWD.80/20 weight distribution Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Socks Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Yeh. They are extremely heavy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SKINY Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Any information on the swap, mainly mounts will b appreciated folks. And please stop saying this and that swap will be easier/better/whatever lol. I've it in my head and that's what's happening, drive shafts I have a place ready to do them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richglanzav Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 i think he just did it to see if he could, plus it was some drag weapon lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 go for it mate if it drives horible just fit another 3sgte in the back that will balance it a bit anyone for a 1600bhp 4wd starlet wha ha ha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roachburger Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 (edited) The weight is the biggest issue along with the amount of cutting and adjustment required.Has anyone gone absolutely wild in the aisles and thought of sourcing a pulsar sr20 setup ??fair enough there is going to be some cutting/ molestation of chassis legs and the bulkhead but they are much lighter engines and well capable of more power than a 4e or 3sgte. any thoughts ? Edited August 14, 2016 by roachburger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richglanzav Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 bit unfair to compare a 4e to a sr20 dude haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_opGszlO0oo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzxHi3qrvs This one is 4age. To give you another option https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGhIgn8Ijxk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roachburger Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 hahah im not comparing at all mani was just saying if your going to cut up the front end of a ep for a different engine instead of a 3sgte why not an sr20. both look like the same amount of work its just one would give off muchos potential and the other just creates understeer. 4agze or 4age seems simpler, although i have only ever seen one in a green ep90 at jae Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 In a green ep you say?Only 4age ones I've seen have been mine and flynns both in black Sr's not heard of any other 4age eps in england? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 hahah im not comparing at all man i was just saying if your going to cut up the front end of a ep for a different engine instead of a 3sgte why not an sr20. both look like the same amount of work its just one would give off muchos potential and the other just creates understeer. 4agze or 4age seems simpler, although i have only ever seen one in a green ep90 at jae please sir keep it toyota Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roachburger Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Haha might have been black then. I'm not exactly brilliant with my memory, just remember it being a dark base model ep9.Col, why ?I would understand if it actually made things simpler I.e wiring or the mounts are the same, or even driveshafts butAs socks said there's too much weight to make it viable and any combo of Toyota engine/box means something can'et handle the power (unless your going to use jz or uz engines)And why not do something that's not been done before, looking at your twin charged setups your not scared lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 got me there wha ha ha didnt they fit a 2jzgte in a p7 fwd and all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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