I take it this was aimed at me? lol I'm not asking you to care, I'm giving my experience which is what the OP wants to hear, arguments for and against the cars. Yeah a Starlet will need a few upgrades but to say a Civic will shit all over one? Clearly not in my case. Secondly, if I "think" i kept up with one? So gaining distance over 2 laps isn't keeping up with one? OKAY Lastly, I'm not claiming a Starlet isn't basic, I'm disproving people that claim EPs can't handle. And for the record, I'm pretty sure the EP3 had coilovers and the driver was certainly not holding back on the throttle. Anyone will agree that a fairly basic NA being able to keep up with a 200bhp hot hatch is respectable.