Davy - it sounds like the ones u saw were pretty rough. especially if one had a chunk missing! they would have needed about £250 spent on them for a pro-refurb. and with the tires being shot, u'd be looking £200 or so there, depending on what tires u went for of course. it sounds like these were real dogs, and if one had a chunk missing, it could well have been buckled too for all u knew. as i said, a good set is worth spending the money on. a set in need of money spent on them, not so much. u probably did the right thing walking from them, sounds pretty steep given their condition mate. if i could sell u mine i would, but i'm afraid i need them. my brother has a set of OZ Titans in desperate need of refurbishment though, not sure if he wants to sell them or not, but not harm asking him if they are of interest. 15", two sprayed black, 2 red. all centre caps present, but they need a professional refurb as paint is fucked and one of them has a score on one spoke from a gate post hinge. none of them have been buckled or cracked though. Phil.