tommyep82 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Wel lad just wondering if many of ye or using your starlets on the track without a baffled sump and an oil cooler, I heard of people putting in an extra half liter of oil when on the track, also I have not got much or any room for an oil cooler adaptator with my turbo, thanks in advance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gainzy Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I would definitely use oil cooler or at least take regular cool downs too much heat runs is going to have it's effects Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 With a 16 row cooler, I struggle to get oil temperature into my car unless ambient temperatures are high, even then it's not until later in the day. If you're going to be using it on the road, then you'll also need a thermostat for the oil cooler. I find that covering half of the oil cooler with some foil works, I'm in the middle of rebuilding my engine, once that's done I'll be moving to a smaller oil cooler, and thermostat so I don't have to faff about covering the 16 row. I have a baffled sump, it's a simple thing done by RW. I'd like to move to a trapdoor style baffle system, but finding someone who doesn't charge you the earth to make one is proving difficult. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Id put a baffled sump on before an oil cooler.Providing you already have oil temp & pressure gauges. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akyakapotter Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 With a 16 row cooler, I struggle to get oil temperature into my car unless ambient temperatures are high, even then it's not until later in the day. If you're going to be using it on the road, then you'll also need a thermostat for the oil cooler. I find that covering half of the oil cooler with some foil works, I'm in the middle of rebuilding my engine, once that's done I'll be moving to a smaller oil cooler, and thermostat so I don't have to faff about covering the 16 row. I have a baffled sump, it's a simple thing done by RW. I'd like to move to a trapdoor style baffle system, but finding someone who doesn't charge you the earth to make one is proving difficult. I to struggle with oil temps because of my cooler its huge got half covered and see just over 75c most of the time haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Yeh, they seem to run pretty cool.. I suppose there's plenty of airflow around the engine with it being so small, etc. 75 would be too cool for me, I like to see upwards of 85 before I'm really happy, it's not until then that moisture in the oil would start to boil away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MARC MOSS Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 My mocal gives me 90c on a 16 row but mines a 1800cc I would definately use a baffled sump if using r888 or a048, normal road tyres ad08 etc haven't enough grip to worry about oil surge unless you are a fucking shit hot driver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommyep82 Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 Had anyone tried to fit the oil cooler from a g6 corolla I'd say they would work,What money is a baffled sump? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommyep82 Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 I will be using Bridgestone potenzas,It's a road car going to do a few track days Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 It's all relative. Unless you use at least semi slick tyres, you don't need a baffled sump. Unless you're seeing oil temperatures reach 120 degrees C for periods of time, an oil cooler isn't needed. Test first, and put the money elsewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikey4410 Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Did brands without an oil cooler. Only issue I had was a tiny stock sized intercooler not being very efficient. That was the only high temp I saw. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommyep82 Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 Thanks lads I'm going to invest in oil temp and oil pressure gauges firstly and test on the track, what way do I plumb them in tru the oil pressure sensor or where I never fitted one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) You can get a sandwich plate which sits between the block and the oil filter which will have a couple of bungs on it, you can insert the sensors there for temperature and pressure. Most of the traders do them or can get them. Edited April 2, 2016 by AdamB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StuDoc 72 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Whether you need it or not a baffled sump is a good thing to have regardless of tyres....lmao. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amjad Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) Baffled sump yes, see how you get on with regards to oil temps first. I have my oil cooler covered for road use and see 75c easy driving. On track I recently left it covered and it sat nicely at 90c Edited April 3, 2016 by Amjad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Whether you need it or not a baffled sump is a good thing to have regardless of tyres....lmao. If you've got tyres that can't even pull 1g while cornering which most road tyres can't, then explain to me why you would need a baffled sump? It's not a bad idea to have one, but for the sake of possibly a couple of trackdays a year, the money can be better spent elsewhere as it's not a necessity... Sorry I forgot everyone on forums designs and builds race cars for a living... lmao Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo Goose Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Has anyone got any pictures of a baffled sump or a trap door sump?Looking into it myself but not sure on dimensions or does the baffle sit just above the oil level? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Sorry I forgot everyone on forums designs and builds race cars for a living... lmaoWe all supposed to be impressed or something? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MARC MOSS Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 If you've got tyres that can't even pull 1g while cornering which most road tyres can't, then explain to me why you would need a baffled sump? It's not a bad idea to have one, but for the sake of possibly a couple of trackdays a year, the money can be better spent elsewhere as it's not a necessity... Sorry I forgot everyone on forums designs and builds race cars for a living... lmaoThis ! It's pretty hard to push a set of r888's or ao48's to the point of needing a baffled sump without being very good on a track as it is, and unless you have an extremely well setup car and the capability to drive it property road tyres no matter how good they are wont get close.I'd just get an oil cooler if you want either of the two so you can stay out on track all day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StuDoc 72 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 If you've got tyres that can't even pull 1g while cornering which most road tyres can't, then explain to me why you would need a baffled sump? It's not a bad idea to have one, but for the sake of possibly a couple of trackdays a year, the money can be better spent elsewhere as it's not a necessity... Sorry I forgot everyone on forums designs and builds race cars for a living... lmao Clearly my reply said, whether you need it or not a baffled is a good thing to have especially on a track. If you like I will explain to you what a baffled sump does but I'm assuming you already know that since google is only a click away and you BUILD RACE CARS FOR A LIVING. Its insurance your car should always be kept with a constant oil feed, on your theory whats the point in wearing seatbelts since no one intends to crash. In any case keep your fucking cheek to yourself you little mug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Getting heated about very little lads.Whether your right or wrong aside Stu, I don't know your history with Adam but based on this thread you were the first person to laugh your ass off at someone else. Pretty cheeky to be fair. Need to get on abit better lads- It's in nobody interest to get wound up online.Phil Edited April 4, 2016 by Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Getting heated about very little lads.Whether your right or wrong aside Stu, I don't know your history with Adam but based on this thread you were the first person to laugh your ass off at someone else.I reckon it was a typo for Imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Yup Daniel could have been a misunderstanding or typo for sure But the way the thread developed isn't right.It's a forum for all the read If someone searches for info on baffled sumps or oil coolers this will appear - isn't really a great presentation of the starlet communityPhil Edited April 4, 2016 by Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 If someone searches for info on baffled sumps or oil coolers this will appear - isn't really a great presentation of the starlet communityPhilIf some searches baffled sumps they'll see Adam basically belittling the community, because we dont all build race cars for a living.. and Stu then putting him in his place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) If some searches baffled sumps they'll see Adam basically belittling the community, because we dont all build race cars for a living.. and Stu then putting him in his place.that is your take on it and fair enough. You have highlighted the emphasis I was getting at inadvertently - they search for A but find an arguement. Your position was pretty clear already as you were quick to defend/slag up above.I'm not saying Adam or Stu or you are blameless I just was pointing out that Stu lost the rag somewhat when really it seems like he was the first person to be rude (Adams belittling coming after stu's initial lmao (typo perhaps?)I can see how it has all developed same as anyone and really I'm not that interested except to say we can do better.Even I can do better. Like what am I even hoping to achieve here 🙈Phil Edited April 4, 2016 by Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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