Asad Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 As above was on my way home from work just now, 7.30ish and as I just got onto a roundabout iirc bellow 30 before I knew it I'd done a 180* spin...facing oncomming traffic!!! Car was dead and I was in shock.Started the car after hearing some old man shouting at me I did a 3 point turn and headed home...the outcome could have been ALOT WORSEReasons why I think this happened13" wheels on the back with 14" on the front (waiting on camskill to deliver the new set)Poor handling of the carDriver error? Not sure what I could have done to help?Cars not lowered, would lowering help?be carefull guys it happened out of nowhere wasn't speeding or on full lock no aggressive steering whatsoever just goes to show these little cars can suprise you out of no where! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drongo boi Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 my back ends kiked out a few times but thats only when ive hammered it rwnd a corner lol what size tyres have you got on it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Asad Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 185/55r14 on the front and stock biscuits on the back Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enots Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 roads are quite greasy round here atm dont know if its the same up with you. i've had the back end step out a few times usually when hammering it into a corner lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rickstar Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Happened to me to Asad today but only a driffted a bit tho, i think i may need new shockers at the rear. I did a mad one few weeks ago drifted around a round about.. was scary but i was amazed how i controled it! Going to have to check the rear tyres tomorrow. Scary stuff! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Asad Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 Defo get onto camskill n find out where the new rubber is!! See if I can afford to lower it too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WallaceGlanza Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Crap rear tyres will be the main reason, if you're going to have a pair of crap tyres then they'd be better/safer at the front. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LukeSR Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Crap rear tyres will be the main reason, if you're going to have a pair of crap tyres then they'd be better/safer at the front.This. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amjad Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 ^ I wouldn't completely agree with that, I find the back stepping out is easier to control tan understeering before even entering a corner! lolWhen my tread was low on my Corolla's back tyres, it stepped out all the time in the wet, which was fun lol. I never lost control, but the Corolla's are lower and have an independent rear suspension I think?In my EP I like taking corners fast, but never enter a corner fast enough to lose control. Also I'm quite low, have braces & good tyres so I guess I'm safe bar in the worst of conditions?Anyhoo glad you (and the car) are okay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LukeSR Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 ^ I wouldn't completely agree with that, I find the back stepping out is easier to control tan understeering before even entering a corner! lolWhen my tread was low on my Corolla's back tyres, it stepped out all the time in the wet, which was fun lol. I never lost control, but the Corolla's are lower and have an independent rear suspension I think?In my EP I like taking corners fast, but never enter a corner fast enough to lose control. Also I'm quite low, have braces & good tyres so I guess I'm safe bar in the worst of conditions?Anyhoo glad you (and the car) are okay I take corners fast in mine to lol, rear brace makes such a difference. Only had oversteer in the wet... Never rear end slip out fortunately Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lukew360 Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 I would blame skinny tyres on the back, but also there could of been a spill on the road, maybe some petrol/oil.Bad Combination = Bad Outcome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShafzC Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 My car feels perfectly planted now lowered 40mm on 195/50/R15 sports tyres all round.. on the 13's there was no grip at all so the 13" rears could of been the problem, time for more mods I think? The other green 5 door in the club needs to do me proud hahaShafz. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 your not a man in an ep until you can control the back end at all times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keri-WMS Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Ok, I have a a few things I would suggest here, not aimed at anyone, just general observations.First off - make sideways your friend! I mean practice lift-off (and handbrake induced) oversteer on some (100% safe private land with no chance of hitting anything or anyone!!!) wet grass or wet tarmac, so that when you feel it start to go you can do the right things which are (usually, DON'T take my word for it without trying it):Front wheel drive, if the back steps out you get on the throttle and apply opposite lock to "pull" the front back straight, don't touch the brakes. Here's a masterclass by Plato-San, admittedly at a high rate of knots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPCGnkApnDU...feature=relatedRear wheel drive is almost the opposite, you ease off to NEARLY zero throttle and apply opposite lock, when it starts to come back you easy back on the power and straighten up early to stop it going out the other way in a tankslapper!As for reasons it stepped out without warning, I would say:1 - It was wet and we're all used to dry roads and / or diesel spill on the roundabout (the combination will do it).2 - If it was dry, my vote is a duff shock or deflated tyre on the left-rear.3 - Bald tyre on a wet road....or, less likely....4 - Rear suspension too hard.5 - Rear brakes getting too much bias, or front brakes done for (ie the rear is doing too much).6 - Miss-matched front/rear wheels, cheap tyres, general handling etc are unlikely to be the cause IMO.I've based this on owning and being sideways in: Mk1 Escort, Mk2 RS2000 (brother's), Capri, AW11 MR2, SW20 MR2, Mk1 Uno Turbo, Sierra, VW Scirroco, EG Civic, my brother's 2.5TD Hilux/surf thing, rental old RWD long wheel base transit van and more I've forgotten. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
durmz Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Just like to add that imo, and this is no way a horrible comment, but alot of the time over steer in a fwd is down to bad driving, try to have as little weight changes possible in a corner, if ure still on the brakes on turn in you can lose the rear, if you let off mid corner this will bring the back out, because ure taking the weight off the back tyres. And ive done it a lot myself so im not saying it like im a driving god.... Although i am hahahaBut yes very good advice above, practice being out of control in a safe environment, it will stop you freaking out when you lose it unexpectantly, ule be calm and will be able to think Quote Link to post Share on other sites
durmz Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Also to add that my technique of sorting both understeer and oversteer is letting off. I wrote off my first car trying to put some power in to sort an oversteer, not because it isnt the right way to do it but because i couldnt handle it, the back went the other way making it worse, and it also meant i was still carrying speed so i hit the curb hard. Since then when it kicks out im off the power steering in, isnt as pretty but you shed alot of speed which is important imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GAZ@A&G_TUNING Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 when that back end step's out just keep it that throttle down and see will smoke up like a pro and will come back round, my eg civic was the king of lift of oversteer ,but it sounds like you had the back end come out and you let off and she came round on ya Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keri-WMS Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Here's another one, when you're in trouble (crash in front of you, or someone pulls out on you....or you are off the road dodging trees due to driver error!!!!)....get in the habit of deliberatly saying in your head "where's my gap, where's my gap..." etc.Might sound mad, but if you look at what you're avoiding you'll hit it! But if you look at a way PAST you will be far more likely to avoid it.Object Fixation (or Target Fixation) is what it's called, and it's why when a biker falls off all the other guys manage to run him over, when you could get like five bikes past either side of the guy on the floor! Here's an example: and So look at the road where you want to put your car, not at what's got in your way. (...as usual make your own mind up, don't sue/blame me, yada yada...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GlanzaJim Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 not to worry!i was on my way home other month went round a rounderbout it was wet well dust of rain of top and i slid of the rounder bout wheels wer turnt and boom hit the cumb jumped into a ditch, about a foot away from lampost. i got out okay so did my mate. only damage was 2 alloys. Buckled completly snapped tyres ripped apart. blown shock on front. still not changed lol.and im on 13"s standard alloys 165s? i think or 175 pure skinny. eveen in wet i can spin my car for agess!glad your ok man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Asad Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 Really apreciate the comments guys!!The back tyres are brand new goodyears they were on the car when I got it, dry stored since I went alloys..got a nail in one of the alloys and I put the steelies back on.I've had it come out on me before but steering into it usually sorts It I even delibratly did it on the way back from the gym so I know I can control it.....it's just never happened to that extent. I know i didn't power down because the engine was off when I came to a standstill so I must have turned In/out and braked? Also there is bias on the brakes, was told this on Monday after the MOT so I ordered some new pads,discs,shoes,cylinders...Gonna give it a good bleed thru so that should be sortedI've ordered some kumho ecsta Ku31s which shld have been here!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5T4R7ET N/A Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 I spun my old car once a long time ago. for full 180 degree.i was only doing 20 mph, i tried to control it but there was no grip, was like driving on ice. caught me by surprise just wasn't expecting it at such a slow speed.after the spin i went back round the roundabout and spotted there was a spillage. you know the one with all the colours of the rainbow. was probably oil, petrol ecti also noticed that newly tarmaced sections in the road and roundabouts are very slippery in the wet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Asad Posted July 14, 2010 Author Share Posted July 14, 2010 Exactly like me ^ Ive yet to check the roundabout tho Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liam_D Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Get a Whiteline RARB = Problem solved, seriously since ive had my RARB The back end just feels more controllable round bends. Is yours stripped out in the rear? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Asad Posted July 14, 2010 Author Share Posted July 14, 2010 RARB = checkim learning everyday, just though id post up for some help on how it might have happened and how i can prevent it thanks for your input tho mate ^ ^whether it was my fault or not...its NEVER happened before to this extent till i changed the rear wheels. On the wider slightly worn bridgestone playz it stepped out a tad in the wet and came back with abit of lock...not this time i lost all grip and control.tbh the problem must have been aggravated by the rear wheels and the fact its not lowered Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liam_D Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Do you have a RARB? I didnt even ask Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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