Hawwy Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 HiI want to run no waterlines on my td04 now as its leakin water.What size bolts i need to block it?Also what type of pipe and what size pipe do i need to loop it on engine side Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky boy Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I wouldnt block the water ways to your turbo!Water is put into the turbo for a reason to worm the turbo up from cold as water heats up faster then oil! And iwater is feed into the turbo to keep it cool when the oil is red hot! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hawwy Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 It doesnt matter loads of people run no water just let it warm up before gving it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky boy Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Its the first i've heard to be honest!!!It would be like not haveing any water going into the engine to keep it cool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TrisK Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Taggy did itTheory is oil can warm it up, especially on a td04 as its easy to Keept it off boostAlso if the turbo over heats then your better to cook the turbo then boil the coolant Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starletburkie Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 turbo warms up from the exhaust fumes not from the water on start up, the water/coolant is to keep it cool! good few run td04 with no water lines Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mark-tozer Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 i run with the turbo not being water cooled and its fine. ive got a oil temperature gauge just wait for oil to get up to temp then use the turbo. a turbo gets really hot when boosting all the time watever water you put through it wont cool it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky boy Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) First i've heard i must say! if other people have done/tried it then go for it mate! But i know what id rather do!!! Edited November 18, 2012 by micky boy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
funny onion Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Me and Sam both run our td04's with no water lines, as do 2 other td04 starlets in hull. Just loop the coolant feed off the block back onto the return. Never had a problem what so ever! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) The worry is coking up the bearings by over heating the oil in them as they are kept cool by the water, aslong a the oils kept fresh and you warm and cool your car/turbo you shouldnt have too much to worry about, as the oil is getting pumped through it the rest of the time. Its only if the cars switched off whilst the turbos really hot that this would happen. But personally id source a new turbo with good waterways just for the peice of mind Edited November 18, 2012 by morgey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hawwy Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 No its my water lines that are fubaredWhat size pipe shall i get te one i loop? As i lost the orginal will a vacuum hose do? And also what size are the bolts to block Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pick1 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I must admit I don't run a water line just don't give it any till oil has warmed up and then drive it off boost when I'm on the way home from anywhere for the last 10min of a journey then your oil cools and works its way back through your turbo etc anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MARC MOSS Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 U Don't need them we don't work them as hard as they are designed to with our little engines Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky boy Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) If turbos where fine to run without water then why dose every turbo on the planet have water fed into it?Everone has there own opinion but i wouldnt run without water fed into my turbo! If you think about it if the turbo is at full beans for quite some time its going to glow more then it would with water fed into it thats just common sense to know thatWhich would kill power because the turbo isnt getting cooled as much as it would with water going through it!Also going off the heat factorThe bearings in 90% of turbochargers are a full floating bronze bushes and the hotter the turbo gets the more things expand and the oil gets thinner so the bearing will wear down quicker give more shaft play and befor you know it you'll be changing the turbo for a new one! and if you are paying like 2k for a new turbo then you dont want to be going through turbos like no tomorrow..Thats my thoughts anyway lol Edited November 18, 2012 by micky boy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iamlegend Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 exactly why would they design to do it in the first place and spend that time, there for a reason.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pick1 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 All valid points micky boy but the td04's originally get slapped on 2 to 2.5 litre engines that could give em some serious hammer and get em glowing it would take us in our 1.3's + would take a hell of a lot longer to give it that kind of abuse and to justify the water to cool it down that much of a considerable amount and yes it may affect the life of the turbo in the long run as people also say that chatter kills em aswel but when a td04 can be picked up at like £50 I don't think many people are going to see it as an issue plus tuning companies wouldn't let u drive off with something that is wrong or would cause your car / set up harm or damage At any fast rate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A L 3 X Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Greddy Td04 11b's have no water line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky boy Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Yeah im just going off other turbos aswell not just the TD04 that you can get for £50At the end of the day the turbo might not be getting worked as much as it would on a 20L or a 2.5L but the 1.3L engine isAt 20L flows more air/gas then a 1.3L there for it dont get no where near as hot! dont mean because the turbo isnt getting worked as hard its not getting hot the engine is so there for the turbo will be to! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Taggy Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) I have tracked a TD04 to death on the starlet with no water lines and have never had any problems, what I did have problems with which is what prompted me to do it after bit of research was when i cooked my engine on track with the lines attached.The rad system on the starlet is quite small and high temp track use boiled my coolant and i spun a bottom end bearing, bloody starlets have no warning system when its overheating and i missed the guage poiting into the red in the heat of racing an evo lol!!I do have mine attached at the moment as my new turbo came with lines but if i went on track i would block them off, its just an extra heat source into the rad system you could do without. Edited November 18, 2012 by Taggy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 It is fine to run without water lines. The oils primary job is to lubricate, its second function is to cool. The water feed is there to prolong the life if the turbo.I do agree though, if its got the water feed/lines you might as well use them. But since a td series turbo can be picked up for peanuts I wouldn't be so worried. But I know for a fact I'll be using oil and water lines on my £1200 turbo, everyone has their own opinion though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky boy Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) I have tracked a TD04 to death on the starlet with no water lines and have never had any problems, what I did have problems with which is what prompted me to do it after bit of research was when i cooked my engine on track with the lines attached.The rad system on the starlet is quite small and high temp track use boiled my coolant and i spun a bottom end bearing, bloody starlets have no warning system when its overheating and i missed the guage poiting into the red in the heat of racing an evo lol!!I do have mine attached at the moment as my new turbo came with lines but if i went on track i would block them off, its just an extra heat source into the rad system you could do without. What core is your Civic rad Taggy? just i had a single core civic rad on my old glanza and found that the rad fan was coming on way quicker then what it was useing the OEM rad!!Edit just had a look in your build thread you have the same rad as what i had! Im not to keen on them at all maybe you could do with like a tripple core? that could of been the reason why you boiled the water!!!!And yeah Adam i agrre for the price of TD04's i would be so worried either but when you are paying silly money for a new turbo then it would be best to use the water feed!..After all every little bit of cooling a turbo can get give it! Edited November 18, 2012 by micky boy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hawwy Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 What about the main reason i made this thread?What size bolts i need? Where can i get them, can i loop in and out on block with vaccum hose Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky boy Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Haha yeah sorry about that mate!Yeah Funnyonion said just loop the coolant feed off the block back onto the return. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keirz Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 your wrong mickey. 100s of turbos are not water cooled! Just loop the pipe and dont need to block off the holes on the turbo, just leave them open. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky boy Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) Im sure there is but turbos that are destined to be water fed it would prolong the life of it keeping it like that1Everyone has there own views i suppose Edited November 18, 2012 by micky boy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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