Jamie5414 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) I would just like to express my dis-satisfaction about the team at Zisco Performance, Their service and lack of quality in my exhaust/manifold. After dealing with Keith for quite a few months, and everything running smoothly after buying aftermarket parts, I decided to enquire about a 4EFE Manifold and exhaust system from him (custom) as my old standard exhaust had broken, so thought it would be good to get a nice upgrade and go for a custom setup from Zisco. Now, after 5 months (The car is dry stored when not in use and used around 1k miles with the system on), this exhaust has rusted quite badly at the flanges, and is leaking exhaust gas (on both the manifold and exhaust). As you can see I used stainless steel nuts/bolts to put the system together (I was supplied with steel from Zisco), the flanges have still rusted. At the particular point above exhaust gas is leaking too, hence the blackening. I bought the system as "Full Stainless Steel", so expected these to be stainless, but this obviously has been "misunderstood" by Keith and never bothered to ask what material flanges I would like to suit the STAINLESS system. I have asked Keith about this issue, and what to do (I need it fixing), he said and I quote "Before putting it back in I would have it cleaned and welded from inside again. Everything else is fine." So this means getting it welded with my own money/time (and taking it off the car, so now the car is not in use, due to bad welding). After a few very formal replies between me and Keith after him trying to brush it under the carpet and get me to do the work myself to fix it, he is deciding between a full refund and collecting the lot and fixing it up (which I had to suggest). Which I am still waiting on a decision from him. On top of the problems above, this system was requested for a 4EFE engine/body. The hangers that came on it for the centre section where to suit a 4EFTE (different position), and the lambda boss position was in the wrong position I asked for too. The reason for these being wrong.............I have no idea............. So overall not very happy. I wouldn't use Zisco Performance if you require a QUALITY JOB doing. If you look at some of the welding, it is SHOCKING. I am even ashamed to say how much I paid for the manifold/exhaust, because it looks like it's been done by a very bad fabricator, not the fantastic Zisco Performance the forum has such trust in to do a QUALITY JOB. Hopefully something will happen in the near future that will make me change my mind and buy from them again, but up until my items are sorted out that won't be happening at all. Jamie Edited July 16, 2014 by Jamie5414 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rock-Kick-Ass Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 those welds are awful bad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GlanzaJ Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I wouldn't of even took it in the first place looking at them welds ! Can understand your frustration ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garrygt Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I've bought a zisco system for my gt and i have to agree the welds dont look that great. this isnt an issue i have raised yet as i forgot about it until now. that is the last thing i want happening to mine after paying 550 for it! hope u get this sorted mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikey4410 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Jeez those welds. Wow. Not what u would expect with That price tag.no cool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
triple j Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 There was very little care put in to that job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dean_mc88 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 for a start if its a full stainless system no matter what the flanges should be stainless as from my understanding welding a carbon steal to a stainless doesn't go very well (not a welder just from what ive heard) secondly if the rest of the system is stainless and the flanges are carbon standard steal then they will act like a sacrificial anode and rust a hell of a lot faster due to the nature of stainless not rusting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 waoooooow looks like a trainee welded that im just a hobby welder but my welds look better then that !!!! i am really shocked by where the 7 holes are !!!!! how can you mis that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JamesD89 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Well that is piss poor workmanship. Do the ss manifolds not come with a lifetime warranty like the m/s? I will definitely be removing my exhaust for inspection but I suppose they will all have been made with the same materials. I hope mine is not leaking with m.o.t due at the end of the month Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie5414 Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Custom work like the Manifold come with a 1 year warranty. The exhaust, 5 years. Waiting on a decision from Keith to either replace all flanges with stainless and make it all good, or a full refund, it's up to him, I've had enough at this point and just want it to be over with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie5414 Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 i am really shocked by where the 7 holes are !!!!! how can you mis that He said he noticed them when he was polishing it before sending out too!!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Mike EP82 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Due to its low degree to thermal expansion, Mild steel is an excellent choice for flanges. Stainless steel, although stronger and more corrosion resistant, is known to expand under heat and rip off the bolts or studs holding the exhaust system together. However mild steel resilience to high temperatures and corrosion are hardly those of higher-grade steels, and is generally a poor choice for the runners of a manifold. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnboy GT Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Jamie take it off and go see Julian at Turriff Tyres. Jaymo will weld it up there. save the hassle sending it back! John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turboloon Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 pretty poor from Zisco as the guys have/had a good rep with in the starlet scene....glad i'm using the wepr stuff!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie5414 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Jamie take it off and go see Julian at Turriff Tyres. Jaymo will weld it up there. save the hassle sending it back!JohnWill be returning for a full refund instead mate, won't be too expensive to ship over Edited July 19, 2014 by Jamie5414 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lew777 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Cheap stainless does rust Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo Goose Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Think stainless depends on nickel content if it rusts or not. For instance most knives and forks are 18-0 stainless which is low grade and rusts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie5414 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 I mentioned this too him a while back, for both the quality of the welding rod and the actual piping, but he insists it is of high grade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo Goose Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Cc Edited July 20, 2014 by Haresign Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BIGGFOOT Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Air in the welds!!! :/ novice stuff really not enough gas! Or his settings were on ac on machine, he must of had a work experience kid in for the day haha hope you get it sorted 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie5414 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Well now I have another problem with a extension harness I ordered for "4efe wiring", and being sent to me to be used with a 4efte loom/ecu........ He is saying I should chop cables off the extension harness and send that back for a refund!!!! He says it is "not possible" to send the ignition/main/extension harness back for a refund? "Not possible".....right..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimlols Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Well now I have another problem with a extension harness I ordered for "4efe wiring", and being sent to me to be used with a 4efte loom/ecu........ He is saying I should chop cables off the extension harness and send that back for a refund!!!! He says it is "not possible" to send the ignition/main/extension harness back for a refund? "Not possible".....right..... I also intend to make the relevant feedback thread for my side of that one; including how well you've handled it all with me and the interesting replies that were given over the situation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lew91 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 In terms of stainless rusting you need to look out for the grades. (Some eBay listings even tell you the grades). 304 is the most common cheap stainless and that will rust over time. 316 is the preferred choice but more expensive as it will never rust. Shit times on the zisco front tho mate, hope it gets sorted soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 The extension harness.. If the plugs fit then there's no problem? Whether you got a 4efte ecu or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Notorious_C_A_T Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Shame to see that this has happened and you are quite rightly not pleased with the quality of the item. Hopefully this gets sorted out so both parties are satisfied in the end. Although quite surprised anyone would want to ship a product when they know there are holes in it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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