Phil Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Guys Any gearbox specialists about? what c series boxes can be used in our cars? Can a c59 or c64 if not... what gear sets can be fitted into a c52/c56 box? Thanks in advance. couple of links ive be reading http://wiki.seloc.org/a/Toyota_Gearboxes the lotus uses the c64 and has upgrades due to 3rd/4th gear issues we suffer in the c52/6 http://www.sector111.com/parts/performance/transmission/jubu-racing-3rd-and-4th-gears.cfm Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 im no expert but do know 1 or 2 things any c series can be adapted to fit without much bothere C## and c### its only if you start messing with the internal gear sets you will run into dificultys when mis matching stuff are you after the short or long gear ratio 1 in the c59 ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The c64 is the same as the corolla tsports. The diff/driveshaft fitment varies between boxes so this could be a problem, but in theory you can unbolt the bell housing off of your starlet box and bolt it on to any other c series box. But you need to check to see if the new box has bolt holes for the starlets mounts. If not they can either be drilled or you need to pull the entire box apart and use the starlets main casing. But im not sure if the later 6 speed internals fit in starlet boxes, in theory they should be might be trial and error. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 From reading wikiThe Glanza has a different 3/4th gears And a final drive of 4.3This true?Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I cant comment on the f.d but turbos do seem to have a tall one. My levin box maxes out at around 150 at 8200. Whereas turbo boxes are more like 170 at 7700 roughly.As a general rule of thumb though. Gears have to be kept with boxes of the same amount of digits. So a c52 or 56 could swap between a 59 or 64 (not sure on this as its a 6 speed) but not in a c154 or 160. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 From reading wikiThe Glanza has a different 3/4th gearsAnd a final drive of 4.3This true?Phil no from my knowledge the non lsd turbo boxes c52/56 are 4.1fd maybie 3.9 ( deffo not 3.7fd the ratios just dont match the rpms and speeds ) and the oem lsd are 4.3fd ( deffo !! ) with a 5th gear ratio of 0.725 to match cruising rpm to the non lsd box i have fitted a oem lsd 5th setup in a non lsd turbo box ( rib ) and rpm dropped almost 500 on the speedo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 SighIs the a correct source of info anywhere ?Is the starlet bible site gone now?Off home to trawl through the archives of TGTT Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 See to be honest i cant recall many people actually messing around with box / ratio combos.The majority is just gonna have to be guinea pig type shit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 I know it was bottomed out at one stage But that means starting to talk to Spuddy / ECC / Zisco who aren't around much anymorePhil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 What are you aiming for with the box?Shaun has maxed his V in 5th before. Crazy mofo that he is haha. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Looking for shorter ratios Laggy turbo tight track issuesPhil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ep82gi Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Buy The TRD finale drive set up from RHD then phill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Looking for shorter ratiosLaggy turbo tight track issuesPhil then look for the serra oem lsd box its short ratio>>> fat gears >>> and lsd or 4efte oem lsd box with a 5th gear swap to .8 oem gearset is a lot shorter then the non lsd boxes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 Buy The TRD finale drive set up from RHD then phill Tooo short 4.7 final driveWould just be constant wheel spin I think the 4.1 final drive would be ideal in a gt box Finding one will be the issuePhil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Looking for shorter ratios Laggy turbo tight track issuesPhilGet a 4paw then, 4.3 FD.. topped mine out around 133mph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Get a 4paw then, 4.3 FD.. topped mine out around 133mph.Fwd drive class so 4paw would muck things up somewhat lolIf you mean just the final drive then maybe? Hard found I'm sure ?Found this useful but still unclear exactly what boxes came with what unless I go with wiki http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/showthread.php?51250-MK1-3.722-vrs-TRD-4.733-Final-Drives&highlight=Final+drivePhil Edited November 12, 2015 by Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lukEp Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Yaris tsport gearbox final drive 4.312 with 8bolt crown wheels so will take a Starlet aftermarket LSD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 Yaris tsport gearbox final drive 4.312 with 8bolt crown wheels so will take a Starlet aftermarket LSD. would the final driveshaft fit a c52 box i wonder. Thats for the info Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
russ78 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I looked into a celica 1.8 st gen 6 with 7afe engine as it uses a c56 gearbox which would have a longer 5th gear.But didn't get very far with researching it maybe someone else could look into it as it's a shockingly cheap gearbox if conversion is possible Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Yaris tsport gearbox final drive 4.312 with 8bolt crown wheels so will take a Starlet aftermarket LSD.would the final driveshaft fit a c52 box i wonder. Thats for the info PhilA C52 bellhousing bolted to a Yaris Tsport box should work. Then just a case of making mounts to suit.Or see if the Tsport gearset fits inside a C52.There are two different boxes in Tsports iirc, i had an early Tsport as a 1st car Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 The celica tsport has shorter 2nd-3rd than the corolla tsport, pretty sure the pfl and fl rollas are the same.They also dump the mr2/s 6th gear and lsd on to either box give it a nice long cruising gear and obvisous the lsd.Also just noticed you were talking about the yaris boxes not the corollas 😂 The 1.5 Yaris t-sports limit out 5th at like 125. That would be rapid with more power! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lukEp Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Starlet Bellhousing on yaris tsport gearbox just bolts on, which makes it plug and play in a Starlet all mounts are the same Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jayc-glanza17 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I would love a cruising gear..I find 1 to 4th in a c52 are good on track, as very rarely use 5th.What revs do people oull cruising at 70mph on a c52/56 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I would love a cruising gear..I find 1 to 4th in a c52 are good on track, as very rarely use 5th.What revs do people oull cruising at 70mph on a c52/56For a low rev cruising gear youd want the Yaris D4D 5th.Starlet Bellhousing on yaris tsport gearbox just bolts on, which makes it plug and play in a Starlet all mounts are the sameIdeal situation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 daniel the yarsi d4d 5th setup dont work in our turbo boxes !!!!! unless you get custom chims/spacers made Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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