Azz Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 id like race tech and zisco to comment on this...Agreed! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Burny Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Plus that Matt's was laggy as hell, the inlet on it made it laggy i remember seeing a thread on tgtt before he sold it i remember him mentioning he couldnt shake a forged TD04 4E Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hawwy Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Im sure Matt (WhiteGV) wont mind me saying this..Matts - 335bhp on 5EMine - 272bhp on 4EWhich was quicker? Mine.That was a 3rd gear pull, up to 5th gear about 150mph..On a private road I heard the 5E's don't like to rev as muchHow long it take from 100 to 150 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattyD Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Plus that Matt's was laggy as hell, the inlet on it made it laggy i remember seeing a thread on tgtt before he sold it i remember him mentioning he couldnt shake a forged TD04 4EOh no :s I hope this isn't the same for me!! Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Burny Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Im sure TD will sort it out with theyr powerful mapping skills mate! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 Well so far its neck and neck, much love for the 4E reving ability but the ability of a bigger turbo on the 5E is making this a difficult decision.I suppose if anyone come forward with either or for sale then that's which what it will be Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idrees Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Moved to correct section, please post on the correct forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie_VF22 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) 4E all the way Edited September 2, 2012 by Jamie_Td04GT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 5E, people seem to think the 5E can't rev, Spuddy has proven it can at 9300rpm. The only reason is doesn't like to rev in stock form is because the bottom end is heavier than a 4E.More torque, more power, better drive, better spool times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
_shaun_ Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 5e has to be done Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie1st Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 5E, people seem to think the 5E can't rev, Spuddy has proven it can at 9300rpm. The only reason is doesn't like to rev in stock form is because the bottom end is heavier than a 4E.More torque, more power, better drive, better spool times.I thought it was due to the fact that its stroked to make it 1.5 that they don't like to rev as much, rather than a bigger bore/piston size. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky@Race-Tech Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Im sure Matt (WhiteGV) wont mind me saying this..Matts - 335bhp on 5EMine - 272bhp on 4EWhich was quicker? Mine.That was a 3rd gear pull, up to 5th gear about 150mph..On a private road I heard the 5E's don't like to rev as muchPlus that Matt's was laggy as hell, the inlet on it made it laggy i remember seeing a thread on tgtt before he sold it i remember him mentioning he couldnt shake a forged TD04 4EThe intake didn't make it laggy at all, the shocking turbo/kit did along with a poorly spec'd engine. (in terms of head/cam choice). Infact I have the car in at the moment to have one of our GT28 kits fitted, so we'll see the HUGE difference in the midrange. A correctly spec'd intake will not lose any spool. Infact it should improve it along with top end power.We are working on a new intake manifold at the moment, it will be even better than the others. However the cost might scare some people off so we're also keeping the tried and tested intakes.I'm not surprised by the fact a car with less peak power beat it as there wasn't much area under the curve on his graph.With this new kit on there the powerband will be much different/better.I don't have too much time so i'll keep this brief.The 4e 5e argument will go on further. As it does with many cars. I.e. Evo's/Civic's etc where you can get the same head but different capacity.Generally speaking and at lower power levels the rule is as you'd think. Bigger is better. However at higher power levels the smaller engine is generally my preference. I.e. In a drag scenario. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Socks Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 www.s314kba.co.uk/leaderboardIts debates like this, to why I made the leaderboard...Its not just for bragging rights and pub talk...You can compare in great detail how your setup compares to others. If you making 300bhp and 280lbft at the same boost as someone else on the same turbo but they make 320bhp... Get in touch ,look through a build thread... Compare Specs!Research is what is needed! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky@Race-Tech Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 5E, people seem to think the 5E can't rev, Spuddy has proven it can at 9300rpm. The only reason is doesn't like to rev in stock form is because the bottom end is heavier than a 4E.More torque, more power, better drive, better spool times.The weight of the bottom end wouldn't matter to the RPM's. So long as the bottom end is balanced. The weight of the reciprocal parts would matter, but more/equally as important is the rod to stroke ratio for various reasons. What actually matters more is having the correct cam's for the application. I'll not go into too much detail here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Got.boost Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'm going to use a fully forged 5e but use a td04 so should see roughly the same bhp but more torque better spool times (very quick spool) and should not have any lag really will I hope I won't lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abbott Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 4e all the way! my saying is 4e or no e Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Danb Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Has there been a td04 with head work and inlet actually been done? I've seen lots of people saying td04 won't go past 300 but they are all on stock head and inlet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abbott Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Dantheman had a hybrid td04 and im sure that made 298 bhp with 301 torque we are taliking about 4 years ago now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dan507 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Couldn't you run a 4efte Head, cams ect on a 5e to make it rev better? or even use some after market ones? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattyD Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I think a lot of 5e engines are made up of the 5e bottom end with 4e head...... Could be wrong though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amjad Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) ^Yup I think that's right Edited November 13, 2012 by Amjad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mo3 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 i recently just finished my forged build on my 4ei had a spare 5e as well just sitting there but decided to do it all on the 4e because parts are easier to come by5e has more torque, 4e revs moremy friend made 157kw at the wheels with his gt28 on his 4ewith 5e would be a little bit more i guessgo 5e if you have time ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Josh@TunerLifestyle Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Ill be selling my forged 5E parts very soon if anyone is interested... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Both the heads are the same, valve springs differ though. Although if you have any sense you wouldn't use valve springs which are 14+ years old, been through 70+k miles and have sagged anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wickedep Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 5e..no real drawback. they dont make a huge chunk of power over the 4e's.. the added torque and spool up is definitely a plus for any set up. build the 5e ground up properly and you will love it. i really dont know why people keep saying 5e cannot rev...our's revs to 8.5k rpm all day. there are others who are reving 9k or more. one of customers has a built high compression 5e with td04..spool up is mad..awesome for road use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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