Idrees Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Hi guys, I am out of ideas on this problem so hopefully one of you wiring gurus can help me as electricals/wiring isn't my strongest point. The engine is ready to prime but the engine won't turn. I'll put this in bullet points so I don't end up writing an essay! The starter motor clicks, but the engine doesn't turn by the keyThe engine DOES turn manually (from the crank pulley)I've tried a new starter motor which turned the engine over for about 5 secondsBoth the new and old starter motors ARE working (tried and tested by wiring them up to a battery on another car)What I've tried so far:Extra/new earthsMoved the battery back to the engine bay temporarily to eliminate the wire that runs along the car (the battery is usually in the boot)Wired a 0 gauge cable straight from the starter motor 12V connection to the batteryConnected a wire from the live battery to the starter motor ignition connectionReplaced/check relays and fusesNone of this has helped at all, the best I've had is a clicking noise (same as a dead battery) which points to lack of power but the live wire to the starter motor ignition connection should have ruled that one. Any ideas or suggestions? I only have the odd Sunday to work on the car and I'm running out of time, it's either today or try again next month! In the meantime I'll try yet another starter. Cheers!Idrees Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fremyjay Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Not sure if this will help but has it got an aftermarket alarm system, as i thought my battery kept dying on mine but turned out there was an immobiliser on the car, sometimes it would turn over and sometimes it wouldnt , it was hidden up under the dash board which i didnt know until i pulled the dash apart, only thing i can think of off the top of my head as you have tried everything else Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idrees Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share Posted September 15, 2013 Yes mate it has a Clifford G5 alarm, I've disarmed the immobiliser but it doesn't help unfortunately! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fremyjay Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 If all else fails try reconnecting the starter wires as they will be spliced and running through the alarm via a relay, is the only thing i can think of as i know these alarm can be a right pain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idrees Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share Posted September 15, 2013 It's not the standard loom as we wire tucked it a few years ago. There's one wire going from the battery to the starter motor and one from the starter to the alternator, it's quite straight forward. I replaced those wires but no joy. I'm swaying towards a dodgy starter motor (even though it works when it's off the car) so we'll see if a new one helps at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glanza-Ben Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 You have gone 5e from 4e haven't you iddy? Is the starter for a 5e the same as one for 4e? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fremyjay Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 The starter may be dodgy then as off of the car its under no load so would still spin but on the car under load it might be lacking power to crank the car over Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idrees Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share Posted September 15, 2013 You have gone 5e from 4e haven't you iddy? Is the starter for a 5e the same as one for 4e? The starter motors are interchangeable bud, I had the original Glanza starter on my old 5E engine too. The starter may be dodgy then as off of the car its under no load so would still spin but on the car under load it might be lacking power to crank the car over Exactly what I'm thinking. I'll see how it goes with another one! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Stating the obvious here, i suspect you've already tried, but you done it with jump-leads from a battery in a running car ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TrisK Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Broken wire/loose connection in your tucked loom?Fitting the new motor you moved wire to make connection. But as engine turned over it broke connection again? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amjad Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Don't break the car Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idrees Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 Stating the obvious here, i suspect you've already tried, but you done it with jump-leads from a battery in a running car ?Yes Dan, I've had jump leads connected to another running car each time I've tried to crank it. Broken wire/loose connection in your tucked loom?Fitting the new motor you moved wire to make connection. But as engine turned over it broke connection again?I only want to crank it over (not start it) so these are the only wires I've got on there that matter, I've replaced them with new cables too but nothing. Live from battery to starter motorEarthed batteryIgnition wire to starter motorLive from starter to alternatorECU wire to alternatorWiring loom plug in the alternator I also removed everything related to the alternator and connected a 12V live straight to the ignition connector on the starter motor, I really thought that would get it to work but nothing. I've checked the power to the starter motor and it's sucking up more than twice of what it should, but it's still not enough power. Don't break the car I might leave the shell with the bodykit tucked up in the corner for a few years, we've got a lot of new racking and stock coming over the next few weeks though so the space is required more than the car! One things for sure; it's not an electrical fault. It's got to be something mechanical, I think there's a problem between the flywheel/starter motor. Maybe the flywheel doesn't even fit right (4E Aasco flywheel drilled out for a 5E) but it did come off a running car. I still want to get to the bottom of the problem whether I am breaking it or not! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Addymk2 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 If the flywheels not hooking up to the starter properly sureley it would just spin? Have you tried testing both starters off the car with a bit of pressure applied? Not just letting them spin into thin air. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idrees Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 I've now tried 3 starter motors in total, all three of them work perfectly fine off the car. I can't think of anything else other than a flywheel issue, as it is a fair bit thicker than a standard one so maybe that's causing a fault or maybe it has the wrong number of teeth! I will inspect it all when it's off the car Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turbo Grant Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Must be jamming the starter motor on the fly wheel. You said it turns the engine over for about 5 seconds. Does it make a screeching noise whilst doing so? That would indicate the stater motor is to tight against the fly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idrees Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 No funny noises whatsoever Grant Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turbo Grant Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 So with the stater fitted you get the clicking noise. That indicats the solenoid is switching over. Does the stater get hot at all if you hold it in the cranking position. If it does that would indicate the armature is jammed. Strange how it doesn't turn the engine over with that fly. Plenty of people have used drilled 4e flys on 5e's. if say its more a mechanical problem rather than electrical. The fact that you had to grind the gear box to allow the engine to turn would have been the first give away for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idrees Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 It is a strange one, the flywheel came off a running car too apparently. I haven't noticed it get hot but I'll try to crank it over again and see if it gets hot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amjad Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Even if you have to suspend the project for a while, I'm sure we'll all like to see you complete it one day! Would be such a shame for one of the world's finest Starlets to be broken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nikhilkamdar12 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Did you manage to fix this as i'm having a similar problem?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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