richglanzav Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 jesus that fwd 380whp ep70 sounds like a fucking animal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 got me there wha ha ha didnt they fit a 2jzgte in a p7 fwd and all That was in a ep91 was in the Netherlands iirc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richglanzav Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 slightly off topic but has anyone followed this? >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_ajcKhHLjU its a custom fabricated classic mini with celica gt4 running gear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gorganl2000 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 i'm a big fan of special projects and over the years i have followed many ep82/91 conversions (5efte, k20, 3sgte, 4age 16v/20v, 4agte, 2zz, etc.)...they make for variety and add some flavour ...i think they have their place if the owner understands what the overall purpose is (showcar, hobby, drag, race, self fulfillment, etc) and has the means to build it properly (funds/money, tools, skills, knowledge, etc) in saying that, over the years some members on the various starlets sites have started projects and either aborted them early or built them on tight budgets and therefore have not gotten the most out of them...my advice to anyone doing such a project is to undertake the necessary research, then re-research that research ,,set up a physical budget (excel, paper, something) and see how the costs unfold...then add in 10% - 20% contingencies for when stuff goes wrong or just pops up now with regards to the specific 3sgte conversion,,,back in the day this was considered because some felt it would make the light body starlet into a missile/rocket..a few have done it and realised it made easier power than the 4e/5e, but the conversion process, weight distribution, customization and other related issues generally outweighed the benefits.......even when the money tree was strong and it was done successfully, there were issues of getting the power to the ground. i'd advice anyone attempting such "exotic" engine conversions (not referring to the direct swap 5e) to have good supporting people and/or know how to do a lot of this stuff yourself, as it would help keep the costs down..from a cost benefit perspective, the built 4efte or 5efte with a matching turbo, ecu, etc to support your power needs usually works out cheaper, easier and possibly more reliable...its been proven that you can get from 300bhp - nearly 570bhp out of these 4e/5e engines depending on how far you want to take it. just to reiterate, please thoroughly think through all of the logistics before attempting such projects,,,so you can decide to abort early (never start) or see the project completely through in a satisfactory manner....i'd close by saying that, i've also realised that some people will do what they want regardless, which is totally fine first 3sgte in a starlet i saw was in the early 2000s from australia if i remember correctly...it was very nicely done Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 slightly off topic but has anyone followed this? >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_ajcKhHLjU its a custom fabricated classic mini with celica gt4 running gear. ya been folowing that when its finished and on the road it coulkd be a ferarri / lambo killer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR-2 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Easiest way is use Camry 3.0 V6 2VZ-FE gearbox, same box basically like MR2 turbo, gearselector/lingage is right side for Starlet, don't go hardest way... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 K20 it, I really want to K20 mine. Need to find someone to make it fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roachburger Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Someone's done a k20 I think .. I swear there is a build thread somewhere on hereSeems pointless though.why swop boost for VTEC when it's just as complex to install, maybe more expensive and makes less power.If you turbocharged the k20 you would have a monster but it won't be cheap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roachburger Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 got me there wha ha ha didnt they fit a 2jzgte in a p7 fwd and all How did they get a 2jz fwd ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Lighter engine, reliable and importantly usable horsepower. You can keep your power figures, I'd rather be driving quickly around race tracks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_g Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 How did they get a 2jz fwd ?Think it uses the E153 MR2 gearbox.There was a thread on here about it, buried somewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TrisK Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Someone's done a k20 I think .. I swear there is a build thread somewhere on hereSeems pointless though.why swop boost for VTEC when it's just as complex to install, maybe more expensive and makes less power.If you turbocharged the k20 you would have a monster but it won't be cheap.There's a girl in Australia that has done a k24 swapShe spends a lot of time on trackhttps://noisyninja.wordpress.com/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roachburger Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Lighter engine, reliable and importantly usable horsepower.You can keep your power figures, I'd rather be driving quickly around race tracks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ollieh17 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I agree, don't get why you remove and engine from a much better chassis and put it a not so good chassis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 You're missing the point somewhat, VTEC isn't a replacement for a turbo, not sure how you can compare the two? But for a reliable, fairly modern engineered engine, you can't look past a K20. It will drive better than a 4e/5e with similar power mainly because you aren't waiting for a turbo to spool up, however quickly it does so. The chassis development I have in my car makes it a great package, it has flaws, much like any other FWD car, but it changes direction as well if not better than anything I've ever driven. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ollieh17 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I agree, its a good engine and makes sense in some cars, just not a starlet. EG swap etc would make sense and probably be easier. Starlet chassis will never be as good as a hondas, as much as its painful to say Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Perhaps I'm not trying hard enough, but I'm yet to go beyond the limits of my chassis. I haven't driven a Honda on track to compare, but I've plenty of seat time in a friends R53 Mini Challenge car, there's not much between them. People are quick to rubbish ep*'s because they don't have IRS, probably helps the others, but it's not the be all and end all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TrisK Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Perhaps I'm not trying hard enough, but I'm yet to go beyond the limits of my chassis. I haven't driven a Honda on track to compare, but I've plenty of seat time in a friends R53 Mini Challenge car, there's not much between them. People are quick to rubbish ep*'s because they don't have IRS, probably helps the others, but it's not the be all and end all. I have an ep3 as a daily, and have done quite a bit of track time in it, i would say it certianly gives you a lot more confidence than the starlet chasis, but the feedback from a starlet means that they arent impossible to drive fast, you just to have be prepared from some understeer. A civic is definately easier to drive fast, but atleast on the circuits ive driven (les mans, silverstone, fontennay, maison blanche) that the starlet would be far behind, i also think the additional legs on the srraights could potential make it a faster car Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Calum122 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Have you even driven a K20? Even in the civic they were not great to drive. Not as a daily anyway. Very tiresome to drive having to scream it for the power. How you can say that it would suit the starlet over a 4e is crazy. And I love the K20 for the fact when you are in race mode it is too the red line everywhere. It's a fun car. Just tiresome as a daily for the moments you do want a blast. Great car and engine though, just not for the Starlet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 A k20 with some select mods and a map is surprisingly grunty even in an ep3, thats in a 1250kg car. Loosing 300kgs will make heaps of difference to the lowend.But like any car if left in top gear of course its going to be slow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roachburger Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 starlets just arnt designed for it ..For the money it would cost to do you could buy a roadrunner kit car and drop your k20 in that .I dare to say a well tuned forged 4e/5e and suspension setup would eat any n/a k20 on the road, in my experience ive got boost long before vtec kicks in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gorganl2000 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 starlets just arnt designed for it .. For the money it would cost to do you could buy a roadrunner kit car and drop your k20 in that . I dare to say a well tuned forged 4e/5e and suspension setup would eat any n/a k20 on the road, in my experience ive got boost long before vtec kicks in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kbond Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Starlets are perfectly capable around track and with a 4eYes it might be a little better with irs but you make do with what it's got, and personally I don't think that it's the problem it's up to the driver how fast the car goes around the trackI recently done a day at Combe and went out with a mate of mine who has won his classes in formula fords and used to race civic and after I felt much quicker and even he was impressed with how well it wentAlso you need to no your car and how it's set up changing things slowing one thing at a time helps you dial in the car to suit your driving style Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SKINY Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 what about the 1.8 7afe from the celica, is that pretty much a "bolt in" engine and box swap ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 The 7afe is not a bolt in engine, just because it looks the same its far from it. Its the same amount of work fitting a 4age.The only bolt in engine is other E series engines 1e 2e 3e 4e 5e variants Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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