Gav Missen Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) Hi all and welcome to my build thread! This is my 98spec Glanza I have owned the car for a year and a bit and now it’s time for a forged build! the shell itself is a very clean example and fairly stock in my eyes, rough spec as follows: *Emanage blue ECU with Glanza harness and 3 bar map sensor ready to plug straight in and be mapped *Greddy profec boost controller all plumbed in HI/LO setting fully adjustable *Full stainless Japspeed exhaust inc decat *Toyosports stainless manifold has been welded *hks adjustable actuator *Big FMIC in black with all hardpiping and hot pipe *Walbro fuel pump *RRFPR *LSD gearbox no crunches or whines *VGC meister R coil overs with fully adjustable top mounts *15” super lightweight jap wheels *new lambda sensor *brakes were all replaced not to long ago *2x new bottom ball joints last week *new rocker cover and plug hole gaskets last week as was weeping Inside 🇯🇵 *Triple gauge A pillar pod with 3 gauges *Plasma glow dials *OMP deepdish steering wheel *Subaru wrx sti front seats (rear is stripped but still have the seats to put back in if needed) *Glanza front strut brace *rear 3 point strut brace with all plastics *Glanza floor mats Being a Glanza I had a few little issues along the way.. the toyo mani snapped in half literally... I did get the flange welded back on but now that’s ready for the bin it acquired an oil leak from the back of the engine which I couldn’t find and made a mess of everything as it was finding it’s way on to the alternator belt I think it was a mixture of little leaks to be honest anyone without boring anyone too much I’ve started stripping it down I took the coil overs off and gave them a clean and they came up surprisingly well here’s some before and afters I got the engine out and on the stand and as you can see it really needed a clean I then started to remove some of the paint off the block and head it had 3 layers of different colours on it! I then stripped it down to have a check on the valves and pistons crank etc luckily I have a spare gt turbo engine so can choose the best crank block head etc from each one the engine bay was covered in oil so I moved on to that with the degreaser it came up ok but still needs some more cleaning done this is where I am at at the moment just trying to find somewhere to build my forged block and do my head etc had quotes from TD and futuremotorsport if anyone has had any experience with them be great to hear or anywhere else you can recommend! The thread will go on for a while as I only have the odd day off work but will try to keep this updated, I will be looking for 300-350bhp I’m thinking td05 what do you think? cheers Gav Edited April 22, 2022 by Gav Missen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sam44 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Great start and that number plate is class. What front bumper is this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gav Missen Posted April 18, 2020 Author Share Posted April 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Sam44 said: Great start and that number plate is class. What front bumper is this. Messy start but getting somewhere! pretty sure it’s just a 98spec bumper that’s been cut bud Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sam44 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Is this the facelift I hear people mention. Yours looks different around the bottom edges You don't see many like this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gav Missen Posted April 18, 2020 Author Share Posted April 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sam44 said: Is this the facelift I hear people mention. Yours looks different around the bottom edges You don't see many like this. Pretty sure it is mate I like it just a shame someone cut it before me 👎🏽 Wouldn’t mine a live sports bumper and spoiler though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BurtEP82 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Cracking start to your build! The meisters came out like new from the looks of it, top job. What LSD do you have in the box? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gav Missen Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, BurtEP82 said: Cracking start to your build! The meisters came out like new from the looks of it, top job. What LSD do you have in the box? Cheers bud! I was impressed how they can put to be honest! As a far as I’ve been told just a factory lsd I found some damage to the box yesterday thought, looks a piece of the case snapped off around the mount area and someone tapped it back on and put a load of gunk around it!👎🏽 Once I’ve cleaned it all off I’ll get it welded up properly Edited April 19, 2020 by Gav Missen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Socks Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Amazing how much time can be spent just cleaning properly. This needed a GOOD clean though by the looks of it, keep us posted! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gav Missen Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 31 minutes ago, Socks said: Amazing how much time can be spent just cleaning properly. This needed a GOOD clean though by the looks of it, keep us posted! This is true spent a good few hours on the engine alone and still needs more time on it plus still have the gearbox starter alternator etc to do plus all the bay then I can start with the building 🙄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wakeabby14 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) Good looking build mate! If i was you i would avoid a TD05 it will be quite laggy unless you get a decent amount of headwork done, You would be better off getting a TD04 Hybrid and getting a good manifold kit from the guys at WEPR (wickedEP racing). You dont want to run too big power on an emanage ecu as its piggy back and you have less control over the management. You would be more than happy with the car running around 300-340bhp. Also when you start getting closer to the 350ish bhp range you start needing better ignition systems like Coil on plug which can only be ran by standalone management systems generally due to spark blow out. With the engine building side of things I would find a local engine builders to look at your block and crack condition etc then decide what bits to buy from there to forge it and assemble it your self, As TD will probably take a long time to build your engine as a few people have been waiting a while i've heard for their engines to come back they dont have a massive amount of guys there working so its not like turnover is super quick. If i was you and your builders say the block and crank are in good condition i would buy the following. 74.5mm Wossner pistons 8:0.1 (0.5mm over bore) Forged connecting rods (your choice on brand you can go for.. SCAT, PEC, MAXSPEEDING depends on budget and goals etc) ACL Full engine Bearing set COMETIC MLS headgasket (thickness dependent on engine builders recommendation) ARP Crank bolts/studs ARP Headbolts New water pump New oil pump Full OEM toyota seal set I would also get your rocker cover modified to support AN10 fittings to support better engine breathing to relieve crank case pressure at higher boost, At least 430CC injectors (or if you can afford them ID1050x injectors probs best you can get on the market) then just supporting mods like decent clutch, good oil etc. Let us know how you get on! IM JOSH by the way! Edited April 20, 2020 by wakeabby14 Edit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sam44 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) Great advice. I've tried both the tdo5 16g and tdo5 20g on mine and yeh the 16g comes in late and is quite a hand full when it does and the 20g does not even achieve ful! Spoo!. Td also do a crank cap set I've seen and are being told about alot of 4e engines cracking these around 300hp Edited April 19, 2020 by Sam44 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gav Missen Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 hours ago, wakeabby14 said: Good looking build mate! If i was you i would avoid a TD05 it will be quite laggy unless you get a decent amount of headwork done, You would be better off getting a TD04 Hybrid and getting a good manifold kit from the guys at WEPR (wickedEP racing). You dont want to run too big power on an emanage ecu as its piggy back and you have less control over the management. You would be more than happy with the car running around 300-340bhp. Also when you start getting closer to the 350ish bhp range you start needing better ignition systems like Coil on plug which can only be ran by standalone management systems generally due to spark blow out. With the engine building side of things I would find a local engine builders to look at your block and crack condition etc then decide what bits to buy from there to forge it and assemble it your self, As TD will probably take a long time to build your engine as a few people have been waiting a while i've heard for their engines to come back they dont have a massive amount of guys there working so its not like turnover is super quick. If i was you and your builders say the block and crank are in good condition i would buy the following. 74.5mm Wossner pistons 8:0.1 (0.5mm over bore) Forged connecting rods (your choice on brand you can go for.. SCAT, PEC, MAXSPEEDING depends on budget and goals etc) ACL Full engine Bearing set COMETIC MLS headgasket (thickness dependent on engine builders recommendation) ARP Crank bolts/studs ARP Headbolts New water pump New oil pump Full OEM toyota seal set I would also get your rocker cover modified to support AN10 fittings to support better engine breathing to relieve crank case pressure at higher boost, At least 430CC injectors (or if you can afford them ID1050x injectors probs best you can get on the market) then just supporting mods like decent clutch, good oil etc. Let us know how you get on! Thanks bud I do have a engine builder nearby who has a good reputation not sure if he’s worked on many fte engines but worth a go! Will a td04 hybrid be good for 300-340 then? yes mate definitely planning on getting the rocker modified etc cheers for your help will look in to parts soon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gav Missen Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Sam44 said: Great advice. I've tried both the tdo5 16g and tdo5 20g on mine and yeh the 16g comes in late and is quite a hand full when it does and the 20g does not even achieve ful! Spoo!. Td also do a crank cap set I've seen and are being told about alot of 4e engines cracking these around 300hp What power did you make with the 16g bud any videos of it? Are you on about the billet end caps they do? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gav Missen Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 Just got home from work so will try and get a few bits done tonight might move on to the interior removing some bits to fit new fuel cell electric pas etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sam44 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Gav Missen said: What power did you make with the 16g bud any videos of it? Are you on about the billet end caps they do? No i got to 6psi then the surge in power/spool was to much for the 4efe I was worried about bending a rod. Very agresive, and because of the late turbo spool up requires to be aggressively driven. All the things you don't want for reliability on toyota e series engine. The c160 box does suit the bigger turbo better on the roads. For good quarter miles times you want no less than a td05 20g hyb I was reading animal GT used a td06 on noss to get his times. Around 11sec Edited April 19, 2020 by Sam44 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gav Missen Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Sam44 said: No i got to 6psi then the surge in power/spool was to much for the 4efe I was worried about bending a rod. Very agresive, and because of the late turbo spool up requires to be aggressively driven. All the things you don't want for reliability on toyota e series engine. The c160 box does suit the bigger turbo better on the roads. For good quarter miles times you want no less than a td05 20g hyb I was reading animal GT used a td06 on noss to get his times. Around 11sec Oh jheez not good so you reckon a td04 hybrid or vf turbo something along them lines? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sam44 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) Yep either of these turbos are a better road option you can build your own tdo4l hyb. get a 13t billet 7+7 compressor wheel and a 11blade exhaust turbine. You will have to use a super back seal kit £30 and get it balanced £50 to £100. Then port out the exhaust housing from the manifold mount down to the exhaust turbine shell. (You can get up to a 20t billet compressor wheel and housing but after looking at Dyno graphs the spool lost and back pressure are not worth going any bigger than a 17t compressor but again because of the compressor size and weight difference it affect spool up) The 7+7 13t is a great option only slightly heavier but alot more air flowed against the standard 6+6 cast wheel. Saying this search this site. There are alot of very knowledgeable people on here that can give you great information on setups and turbos to suit what you want from the car. Edited April 19, 2020 by Sam44 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gav Missen Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 So I got a little bit done after work today managed to get her jacked up on all 4 the rear arches and coil overs are on the list to be cleaned next! started stripping the interior out seats plastics carpet etc ready to clean all the inside repaint and cut the spare wheel well out to plate and fit the fuel cell on top of does anyone know what this plug would have connected to it was on the same loom that goes to the mirror adjustment and hi lo boost switch also this black box? Some sort of alarm system maybe? removed some bad speaker wiring that had been twisted together 🤦🏼♂️ and if any of you want a laugh check out my seat support bolts I found had been fitted some people make me laugh 🤣🤦🏼♂️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gav Missen Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sam44 said: Yep either of these turbos are a better road option you can build your own tdo4l hyb. get a 13t billet 7+7 compressor wheel and a 11blade exhaust turbine. You will have to use a super back seal kit £30 and get it balanced £50 to £100. Then port out the exhaust housing from the manifold mount down to the exhaust turbine shell. (You can get up to a 20t billet compressor wheel and housing but after looking a Dyno graphs the spool lost and back pressure are not worth going any bigger than a 17t compressor but again because of the compressor size and weight difference it affect spool up) The 7+7 13t is a great option only slightly heavier but alot more air flowed against the standard 6+6 cast wheel. Thanks Sam that’s a great help! Is there a thread or anything on how to do this I’m handy with mechanics but turbo rebuilds I’m not to familiar with I’ve done standard core changes etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sam44 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 You tube how to are the best option. Running an external waste gate on a electronic boost control for the best results again use good equipment for reliability and power. The cheap eBay equipment does not last. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gav Missen Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Sam44 said: You tube how to are the best option. Running an external waste gate on a electronic boost control for the best results again use good equipment for reliability and power. The cheap eBay equipment does not last. Was going to run a EWG I have a greddy profec boost controller would that be suitable? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobSR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Nice progress so far. The black box you mentioned in your pics above is for the indigo dials you have. Josh has given you good advice on the engine build. Sam, can you show the evidence of ‘alot of engines over 300 cracking caps’? I’ve seen one and have run 460bhp on stock caps without issue. Gav, for your build you won’t need billet caps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sam44 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, RobSR said: Nice progress so far. The black box you mentioned in your pics above is for the indigo dials you have. Josh has given you good advice on the engine build. Sam, can you show the evidence of ‘alot of engines over 300 cracking caps’? I’ve seen one and have run 460bhp on stock caps without issue. Gav, for your build you won’t need billet caps. Near every other pro starlet tunner I've spoken with Rob has warned me. So why you don't know I'm not sure. All I can say is phone some high up starlet engine builders and ask there advice on engine spec for target hp. http://www.tuningdevelopments.uk/product_info.php?products_id=3314 As stated 250ftlds on a 4efte is around 300hp. as stated in my previous comment. These are regarded along side racetech and fensport as the best starlet tunners in the UK. And let me not forget zissco hos work on the quarter mile strip is legendary around these cars and yet to be repeated. Edited April 19, 2020 by Sam44 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobSR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 All the UK ones have failed to build an engine that produces power more reliably than the ones I’ve done, so I don’t need to call them for advice. One of them advises against COP which i still don’t understand so the last thing I’d do is take advice on end caps from them. Saying over 300 you’re going to have problems with caps is simply not true; it’s just frustrating to see advice because someone told you on the phone. Do the development work yourself, then give first hand advice to owners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sam44 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Sorry Gavin about this game of ukso tennis on your build thread. There will always be difference of opinion on even how to research your build. Rob you asked me for evidence and I have given it you. I'd suggest to Gavin to get you to build him an engine with a full warranty for 300+hp if you can do this I will have 1 as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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