Some people need to get there heads out there arses, ok some owners of egs and eks with b series engine swear by vetec and claim its better then turbo yarda yarda, there usualy the scene kids, but the k20 is a stonkin engine ! Know of a 10 second ep3 on standard internals (turbod of course) thats been reasonably reliable ! Know of a few running 450+ that have been 100% reliable. Even in n/a they aint slow 13.7 with 238bhp (no nitrous) on road tyres and an open diff aint too be laughed at when ive hardly seen a 200-230bhp glanza/gt that can.match that time, but thats probably because hardly any