Second hand prices. Why do we do it?

[aaddzz123]

As a community maybe we should consider to all sell parts cheaper and sell the cars whole for a little more? After all we do make the prices ourselves? It can only really apply to starlet specific parts as other bits could still be taken off and sold in other scenes but it might end up that there are like 200 starlets popping up for sale quite often which people enjoy and pass on instead of 200 starlets being broken every month and bits being spread everywhere ... Might just have the same effect on prices in the end though as there are none about because no one is breaking them anymore lol!?

I like that I'm not the only one that thinks stuff is overpriced. I've been called a tight cunt a few times when I didn't feel I was being particularly unfair when buying stuff lol. Lots of fair comments too. For some I suppose it's more about making some money and coming out on top which is only natural as we all want to make money in life... Without sounding too much of a cunt and being blunt, I think it just boils down to greedy sellers and stupid buyers with too much money that make it more expensive for everyone...

I can't see it changing, prices will probably even go up. Eventually they will actually become rare to the point where you struggle to find parts, you either pay an arm and a leg to repair stuff because only the few people left in the scene are now specialist breakers and charge you your dick in a pickle jar for a wishbone. At that point I think most realistic people will join the club and split to sell and move onto something else, which again, only sends us more in the same direction...

I wonder if this is what happened to all other classic cars? Might be worth asking our elders who did the same when they were our age lol.

I suppose over all it's hard to see if high prices help the scene or damage it. Currently loads are broken and prices are high... If stuff changed maybe less would be broken because parts were selling for less, but parts would then be rarer, then because they were rarer it might even have the opposite effect and prices go up even more, and everyone would break them again.

Think I'll just start a fabrication company and make aftermarket parts for when there are no genuine parts left lol!

[aaddzz123]

Tbh, there are a few factors often overlooked. All so easy to compare parts prices to corsas or fiestas. etc

Biggest being... Starlet Turbos were NEVER sold over here. There an import only...

Try buying parts for a American Mustang or Some other rare imports...

So on that basis, you could argue these cars parts are still cheap!

The age is the next point... Getting old now...

Try buying parts for EK9s or DC2s. Parts will only get rarer as time goes on.

This is the same for all cars. Look at the prices of old fords now. Mk1/2 Escorts and such....

I don't think any parts for these cars are overpriced. If you own a Rare Imported Car that's clocking on for 20 years old. Unsure what people expect...

Id happily pay money for parts IF there in original or clean condition. Wind Deflectors are a prime example. The Polish Copies brand new are like £30... So £50-60 for a set of genuine Toyota deflectors, that are 20 years old, in mint condition, when not available new anymore. I wouldn't class as expensive.

I guess if you want everything for nothing. Your in the wrong car scene

I cant see anyone being the first to put there hand up to price there rare or hard earned parts/tuning bits up at much lower prices to help the scene. It just isn't going to happen....

Some fair points mate. Agreed with the fact they're an import and stuff is harder to come by. But that said you can still get stuff from Toyota and second line suppliers and in a lot of cases, you will only pay like £10 more for genuine brand new stuff than you would for the "going rate" of second hand parts... Like someone said earlier, a set of 96 spec lights for whatever it was, and people are selling them at the same price second hand and nearly 20 years old lol. Stuff that doesn't sell often and their prices shock me too. Like when I was looking for them locks for Jo's car and someone wanted £50 collected. Thankfully you had a set and didn't want anything, but if you didn't then I realistically would have said £20-£25 for some locks was sufficient lol.

I know it doesn't apply to everything and deals are to be had now and again if you're fast enough. But a lot of prices are a piss take.

[Socks]

Some fair points mate. Agreed with the fact they're an import and stuff is harder to come by. But that said you can still get stuff from Toyota and second line suppliers and in a lot of cases, you will only pay like £10 more for genuine brand new stuff than you would for the "going rate" of second hand parts... Like someone said earlier, a set of 96 spec lights for whatever it was, and people are selling them at the same price second hand and nearly 20 years old lol. Stuff that doesn't sell often and their prices shock me too. Like when I was looking for them locks for Jo's car and someone wanted £50 collected. Thankfully you had a set and didn't want anything, but if you didn't then I realistically would have said £20-£25 for some locks was sufficient lol.

I know it doesn't apply to everything and deals are to be had now and again if you're fast enough. But a lot of prices are a piss take.

True on the lenses.... However, ALOT of stuff is quickly becoming discontinued! Especially for the GT Turbo...

The stuff that's compatible from our UK models... Like lock sets, fittings, basic parts... Obv are peanuts from the scrappies...

Its the sought after stuff on the JDM cars which is where the problem lies...

[Dale SR]

If items are overpriced in some peoples eyes but it still sells at that price surly its worth the money. like nobody holds a gun to anybodys head to buy anything.

things are worth what people will pay.

[Gainzy]

You're all a bunch of greedy bastards

Hahaha everyone get your cash out and buy my parts in the for sale section am skint

[Bryan-4E-FTE]

Well.... You wouldnt believe it but in the uk it is almost every time cheaper then here in Holland.

Some things are more expensive but most of the time its cheaper.

Like my vanity tram for my Glanza.

[Chops]

True on the lenses.... However, ALOT of stuff is quickly becoming discontinued! Especially for the GT Turbo...

The stuff that's compatible from our UK models... Like lock sets, fittings, basic parts... Obv are peanuts from the scrappies...

Its the sought after stuff on the JDM cars which is where the problem lies...

glowbadge hunting has been a nightmare, no one seems to have one lol. i know ill get a ridiculous pricetag slapped on one when i finally do, its so annoying.

[Addymk2]

glowbadge hunting has been a nightmare, no one seems to have one lol. i know ill get a ridiculous pricetag slapped on one when i finally do, its so annoying.

And that's the point, rare stuff gets a high price tag, someone will pay it because the markets big enough for it.

[Idrees]

As a community maybe we should consider to all sell parts cheaper

If you've put £10k of your hard earned in to building a car, surely you want to recoup as much as you can when it comes to selling therefore you will price things for the maximum you think you will get for them.

Nobody is going to think "oh fuck it I don't mind losing out a few grand as long as I keep everyone on UKSO happy by selling parts cheap"... or are they?!

[aaddzz123]

If you've put £10k of your hard earned in to building a car, surely you want to recoup as much as you can when it comes to selling therefore you will price things for the maximum you think you will get for them.

Nobody is going to think "oh fuck it I don't mind losing out a few grand as long as I keep everyone on UKSO happy by selling parts cheap"... or are they?!

Yeah that's the case because we have no choice and the reason we have no choice is because the stuff was so expensive to begin with...

To put it into simple perspective of how I'd like it to work... Currently you buy a turbo kit for say £600. When it comes to selling it, if in the same condition, it may sell again for £600. Cool....... Now if prices were lower and you bought that turbo kit for £300, you do exactly the same, and when it comes to selling, you get £300 back for it... So nothing is different in the end, you still get your money back but everything is just on a lower scale making it possible for more people to actually be able to afford it in the first place.

[aaddzz123]

I think it's all going off a little bit anyway, my target is stuff like standard parts and well used starlet aftermarket parts, stuff there is loads of knocking about. Like the lights, window motors, seats, interior parts, stuff like front mounts and the ECUs, when people try sell a gen 1 ssqv for £100 or some quad lights and a grille for £180 etc etc lol. I'm not expecting people to sell their mint carbon bonnets that retail at £800 for £50 after 6 months use

Edited September 14, 2014 by aaddzz123

[Glanza-Ben]

Yeah that's the case because we have no choice and the reason we have no choice is because the stuff was so expensive to begin with...

To put it into simple perspective of how I'd like it to work... Currently you buy a turbo kit for say £600. When it comes to selling it, if in the same condition, it may sell again for £600. Cool....... Now if prices were lower and you bought that turbo kit for £300, you do exactly the same, and when it comes to selling, you get £300 back for it... So nothing is different in the end, you still get your money back but everything is just on a lower scale making it possible for more people to actually be able to afford it in the first place.

I think this has basically become a thread saying you can't afford to run this kind of car

Edited September 14, 2014 by Glanza-Ben

[Ollieh17]

I think this has basically become a thread saying you can't afford to run this kind of car

I agree with Ben, supply and demand simple economics. Lots of things that cost more than they should in life, you either accept it or don't buy them.

[aaddzz123]

Oh okay guys lol. So the fact that all the universal parts that we sell on here are priced higher than majority of the other scenes means nothing? Like buying TD04s off scoobyclinic for £20 and selling them on here for £120 and buying an ssqv for £30 when they come on here for £100. I've had GTs for 5 years and don't struggle to run them so I don't particularly think that I "can't afford to run this kind of car" but when it comes to buying and selling second hand parts a lot of owners turn into fucking Mike Brewer lol.

[Ollieh17]

Tbf from experience ive struggled to find a decent td04 for £20, having recently been through 4 trying to find a decent one from scooby owners. In the end paid £100 from a subaru forum. Also ssqvs go for high prices on any car.there are people that sell universal parts cheap for glanzas and people that sell them expensive in pther car scenes. That is down to the person not the car type...

[Glanza-Ben]

Oh okay guys lol. So the fact that all the universal parts that we sell on here are priced higher than majority of the other scenes means nothing? Like buying TD04s off scoobyclinic for £20 and selling them on here for £120 and buying an ssqv for £30 when they come on here for £100. I've had GTs for 5 years and don't struggle to run them so I don't particularly think that I "can't afford to run this kind of car" but when it comes to buying and selling second hand parts a lot of owners turn into fucking Mike Brewer lol.

Scooby owners don't want them but starlet owners do and it's about finding the market and making money, and as for having a gt for 5 years and then saying this well shorely if after 5 years your parts are still worth as much as you paid then you should be grateful? As I know I would love to own something for 5 years and still get the same money back for it, your basically wanting the market to go cheap so the cars and parts are not worth nothing there for the whole car gets scrapped instead of stripped and then again you end up with no parts

[aaddzz123]

So how come I've bought 3 TD04s over all and one cost £30 which was mint, another cost £40 which was even better (which I welded, rotated and sold on here for £150 because "it's what it's worth") and then recently with my current GT I bought another for £20 which is absolutely fine too. I got them all from impreza owners because they disregard the TD04 and usually always want to upgrade to the TD05 which is why they're cheap. People originally did the TD04 as a conversion over any other turbo because they were cheap and widely available. Now everyone is on the band wagon and charge £100 plus over here.

And I genuinely bought my ssqv for £30 which is what I thought was the going rate for an average dump valve?

The "supply and demand" theory is simple and true but it's heavily milked and taken advantage of with greed.

Scooby owners don't want them but starlet owners do and it's about finding the market and making money, and as for having a gt for 5 years and then saying this well shorely if after 5 years your parts are still worth as much as you paid then you should be grateful? As I know I would love to own something for 5 years and still get the same money back for it, your basically wanting the market to go cheap so the cars and parts are not worth nothing there for the whole car gets scrapped instead of stripped and then again you end up with no parts

So a TD04 is "worth" £20 to a Subaru owner but to a Starlet owner they're "worth" £150?... Money shouldn't be the only focus in people's lives. I bought my GT's because they're fun and should be cheap. I originally got my first GT because it was the cheapest petrol turbo car about at the time and the scene seemed to be purely aimed at having fun with the best bang for buck car available, whereas now it's a like a business decision every time you consider buying something lol. "If I buy this, will it still be worth that when I sell it? Because it's going to cost me a month's wages to buy but if I can sell it for the same then I'll consider it a money safety deposit".

I'm not expecting someone to come along with an answer or a revolution that works out for everyone and to be completely honest I can't see any way that it would change other than people shop about more from different scenes. As I said at the start with my little rant, it's just food for thought. In my opinion whether you choose to see it or not, everyone tries to squeeze every penny they can out of this scene which has changed it overall from a cheap fun car to modify and have a laugh in, into a fairly pricey game of cat and mouse price tags. I know I'm not the only one that thinks it because I've discussed it loads of times in person and people have said on here that they agree.

[Ollieh17]

Alot has happened over five years....i bet starlets/glanzas still are one of the cheapest turbo cars to buy parts for etc. most car scenes, desirable parts are worth alot of money. Everything is more expensive these days..

[Ollieh17]

And in reply to you buying 3 td04s for a low price that just proves my point. As you and i have both bought a number of td04s and each paid different prices, that just proves its the person not the car scene no?

[Phil]

So how come I've bought 3 TD04s over all and one cost £30 which was mint, another cost £40 which was even better (which I welded, rotated and sold on here for £150 because "it's what it's worth") and then recently with my current GT I bought another for £20 which is absolutely fine too. I got them all from impreza owners because they disregard the TD04 and usually always want to upgrade to the TD05 which is why they're cheap. People originally did the TD04 as a conversion over any other turbo because they were cheap and widely available. Now everyone is on the band wagon and charge £100 plus over here.

you buy a td04 of a scoob forum or ebay it can be tat and no1 will care, sure it only cost you 40 quid.

you buy one off here it will have been used by that member and it will be proven and reliable hence the price tag.

finally your complaining about what you have done yourself, buying elsewhere and selling to starletheads for more.

The starlet community is where i would choose to buy my over inflated parts cause i know that the greddy turbo ive bought is legit and the HKS exhaust from abbott will be mint and the LSD from Idrees should be sweet and the pistons from X member etc etc.

ive bought more cheap tat of ebay that trust me it DOES NOT work out cheaper in the long run. ive proof.

Phil

Edited September 14, 2014 by Philm

[aaddzz123]

A lot will have changed granted, and technically as a small hatch starlets are considered to be cheap, but when you look into the costs, are they really that much cheaper than the other scenes?? Running them physically will be cheaper with it being a 1.3 and low tax and insurance etc but aftermarket bits are just as expensive and spares seem to be more expensive than spares for a lot of other cars I've had or thought about buying..... Desirable parts are worth money when people fight over them, but how can that be justified for stuff that isn't when it's still expensive?

TD04 comment, I get what you're saying about different people different prices, but have you ever seen a TD04 selling cheap on here? I haven't, whereas I've had 3 cheap from elsewhere.

you buy a td04 of a scoob forum or ebay it can be tat and no1 will care, sure it only cost you 40 quid.

you buy one off here it will have been used by that member and it will be proven and reliable hence the price tag.

finally your complaining about what you have done yourself, buying elsewhere and selling to starletheads for more.

The starlet community is where i would choose to buy my over inflated parts cause i know that the greddy turbo ive bought is legit and the HKS exhaust from abbott will be mint and the LSD from Idrees should be sweet and the pistons from X member etc etc.

ive bought more cheap tat of ebay that trust me it DOES NOT work out cheaper in the long run. ive proof.

Phil

That's not always the case, I'm sure you're aware just as much as everyone else about how much "scamming" has been going on here and FaceBook within the scene recently.

I am complaining about myself too yeah funny enough haha, I've already said I'm guilty of doing it too and I'd be stupid not... But it's still annoying that that's the way it works lol. I bought the turbo as a spare and needed the cash when it was sat around.

There are good reliable sellers on here. And again, prices are sometimes really good, most the time they're okay, recently I've noticed they're a bit of a joke and rarely they're so stupid that people pluck up the courage to say something about it and end up having a debate on a thread .

[JoJo_228]

If you doss X amount of money into a car.. Are you doing it for the purpose of hoping to make it back or to enjoy the car?

Everything gets devalued once used/bought/open.

New cars - once they leave their showroom, boom a few grands worth has been lost already. Parts are sky high for those cars, but worth fuck all if you try and sell bits.

People need to be reasonable with pricing and expectations. I spend no end of hours sat on here... Looking at people constantly bumping posts.. ?

Or on Facebook.. constantly trying to sell stuff.. And it's not because people don't want it.. It's because people can't afford it.

You see someone question a price? Ask how much - as soon as a price is shown, they are either knocked down or no longer heard from.

I'd never buy something if I didn't think it was worth something.

Someone tried to flog me a lock set for my car (as Adam mentioned)... something that they were probably going to scrap along with the rest of the car before we enquired...Yet people see $$$$$$$$!!!!

Maybe I'm just too kind. But I'd happily let a few odd bits and bobs go for pence, if someone needed something. I wouldn't try and take advantage by adding a massive profit on something.

I know we all want our money back, but If you're willing to throw £1000's worth into a car... are you willing to not gain it all back?

I've spent a fair bit on my car, knowing that when I eventually sell it.. I won't get what I think it's worth. Because relating to this, I know people will pay 'what it's worth'.

It's your pride and joy at the end of the day.. not a money maker. Unless that is what you do for a living, naming no names ;)!

[Idrees]

Yeah that's the case because we have no choice and the reason we have no choice is because the stuff was so expensive to begin with...

To put it into simple perspective of how I'd like it to work... Currently you buy a turbo kit for say £600. When it comes to selling it, if in the same condition, it may sell again for £600. Cool....... Now if prices were lower and you bought that turbo kit for £300, you do exactly the same, and when it comes to selling, you get £300 back for it... So nothing is different in the end, you still get your money back but everything is just on a lower scale making it possible for more people to actually be able to afford it in the first place.

These parts are expensive for other cars too.

You want a good turbo kit you pay the price or you buy eBay rubbish. If you look at brands such as Whiteline, Magnecor, Powerflex, HKS, etc the prices are more or less the same for all cars.

[aaddzz123]

These parts are expensive for other cars too.

You want a good turbo kit you pay the price or you buy eBay rubbish. If you look at brands such as Whiteline, Magnecor, Powerflex, HKS, etc the prices are more or less the same for all cars.

When new yes. But not when second hand. Which is why I say is this scene really considered to be a cheap one anymore when I can buy the same parts for a skyline at a cheaper price lol.

[aaddzz123]

If you doss X amount of money into a car.. Are you doing it for the purpose of hoping to make it back or to enjoy the car?

Everything gets devalued once used/bought/open.

New cars - once they leave their showroom, boom a few grands worth has been lost already. Parts are sky high for those cars, but worth fuck all if you try and sell bits.

People need to be reasonable with pricing and expectations. I spend no end of hours sat on here... Looking at people constantly bumping posts.. ?

Or on Facebook.. constantly trying to sell stuff.. And it's not because people don't want it.. It's because people can't afford it.

You see someone question a price? Ask how much - as soon as a price is shown, they are either knocked down or no longer heard from.

I'd never buy something if I didn't think it was worth something.

Someone tried to flog me a lock set for my car (as Adam mentioned)... something that they were probably going to scrap along with the rest of the car before we enquired...Yet people see $$$$$$$$!!!!

Maybe I'm just too kind. But I'd happily let a few odd bits and bobs go for pence, if someone needed something. I wouldn't try and take advantage by adding a massive profit on something.

I know we all want our money back, but If you're willing to throw £1000's worth into a car... are you willing to not gain it all back?

I've spent a fair bit on my car, knowing that when I eventually sell it.. I won't get what I think it's worth. Because relating to this, I know people will pay 'what it's worth'.

It's your pride and joy at the end of the day.. not a money maker. Unless that is what you do for a living, naming no names ;)!

And I know you're my girlfriend so we share a lot of views but I couldn't agree more with everything you said. (apart from having to pay a price for something when I didn't think it was worth it. I guess I'd try to consider feeling ripped off as treating myself to ease the burn lol)

Edited September 14, 2014 by aaddzz123