TrisK Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Skyline, Supra, M3, Subaru, Evo......Is that enough??None of those are faster than a 5k starlet. (Or a 5k version of one of those) Or what you could build for 5k. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StuDoc 72 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 None of those are faster than a 5k starlet. (Or a 5k version of one of those)Or what you could build for 5k.I would beg to differ but im not going to argue when the market isnt there to prove it. All of those can easily put down power to about 500bhp. A starlet struggles over 200. Lets not leave the blinkers on mate I love these cars too but they are all faster possibly excluding the scooby and/or evo and far more car for your money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wssoR Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 there only starlets at the end of the day, a cheap plasticy tin can, and as said 5k can buy a much more well rounded and better equiped car with more modding potential aswell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SiCaln Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Its a sad fact of life people will splash loads of cash on parts but won't pay them for cars, I would have only got a maximum of 5 or 6k for my old V, but stripped I sold it for 12.5k - it was sad to do it (it wasn't really) but its the only way to make your money back Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TrisK Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I would beg to differ but im not going to argue when the market isnt there to prove it. All of those can easily put down power to about 500bhp. A starlet struggles over 200. Lets not leave the blinkers on mate I love these cars too but they are all faster possibly excluding the scooby and/or evo and far more car for your money.For 5k Youll get a standard (320bhp) E36 M3. that weighs 1400kg. Giving a power to weight of 228bhp per tonne. 5.5 seconds to 60. Evo wise, youll get yourself up to a 5, maybe, running around 350-390bhp yeah its gonna be fast, but evos are awful, for maintence. engine oil/gearbox oil/transfer box/AYC fluid every 4 thousand miles. maintence is gonna rack up on that. Scoobys are gay, why would you even buy one. Skylines, your gonna get yourself a R33 GTST. Skylines also are mental prices for repairs, parts are expensive and hard to get hold of. PLus your only gonna get a 350bhp one for 5grand. a starlet for 5k is gonna be 280bhp or more. probably weighing in at 800kg. I know which id rather have Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pick1 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Agreed people will spend to mod but not spend to buy nowa days Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryan lang Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 still can get an s13 for £2000 or less and have £3000 to spend on it, making it easily quick enough for most cars on the road and track days i know what id rather have for 5kRWD so so so much more fun than FWD it all depends what you want from your car really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lukEp Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 people will spend to mod because it makes it there own. I expect very very few people will buy and leave it as they bought it, which is why your mods are are worth more off the car than on. I know I'd rather spend as little money as poss on the car, then ill have more money to make it my car. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StuDoc 72 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) For 5kYoull get a standard (320bhp) E36 M3. that weighs 1400kg.Giving a power to weight of 228bhp per tonne. 5.5 seconds to 60.Evo wise, youll get yourself up to a 5, maybe, running around 350-390bhpyeah its gonna be fast, but evos are awful, for maintence. engine oil/gearbox oil/transfer box/AYC fluid every 4 thousand miles. maintence is gonna rack up on that.Scoobys are gay, why would you even buy one.Skylines, your gonna get yourself a R33 GTST. Skylines also are mental prices for repairs, parts are expensive and hard to get hold of. PLus your only gonna get a 350bhp one for 5grand.a starlet for 5k is gonna be 280bhp or more. probably weighing in at 800kg. I know which id rather haveSkyline parts are cheaper than starlet parts they are also much more widely available as there are loads being broken in the uk. My flatmate has an R33 and its ridiculous the prices he gets things for compared to what I pay. He can get coilovers for £200 2nd hand ofcourse. Ofcourse some parts will be more expensive as they are bigger due to there being 6 cylinders but on the whole he pays far less than me. He paid £2500 for his which is 380 bhp and pisses all over my starlet. Fair enough mine isnt high spec but its miles apart. Regardless for 5k they are all far faster, have alot more equipment are bigger comfier. The question was power for purchase price not running costs therefore they are all faster. Like I said I have a starlet because I love starlets but I dont let the rose tinted specs effect my judgement. 280bhp is all good and well but in a 800kg its not going to put it down untill about 3rd gear. Where as they will. Edited February 21, 2013 by StuDoc 72 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wssoR Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 For 5kYoull get a standard (320bhp) E36 M3. that weighs 1400kg.Giving a power to weight of 228bhp per tonne. 5.5 seconds to 60.Evo wise, youll get yourself up to a 5, maybe, running around 350-390bhpyeah its gonna be fast, but evos are awful, for maintence. engine oil/gearbox oil/transfer box/AYC fluid every 4 thousand miles. maintence is gonna rack up on that.Scoobys are gay, why would you even buy one.Skylines, your gonna get yourself a R33 GTST. Skylines also are mental prices for repairs, parts are expensive and hard to get hold of. PLus your only gonna get a 350bhp one for 5grand.a starlet for 5k is gonna be 280bhp or more. probably weighing in at 800kg. I know which id rather have 5k wouldnt get you 280brake Say 2k on the car itself If you want that kind of power youll be going forged 2-2.5k Brakes £500? You wont be on standard suspension with that power i doubt so coilovers £300-£800 depending wether you buy new Management - say emb as its cheap £200 plus mapping is another £250 And then youve got manifold, decat, exhaust, fmic, wastegate if you go down external route which i imagine you would, and turbo itself Starts adding up fast when you actually think about what you spend Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TrisK Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Skyline parts are cheaper than starlet parts they are also much more widely available as there are loads being broken in the uk. My flatmate has an R33 and its ridiculous the prices he gets things for compared to what I pay. He can get coilovers for £200 2nd hand ofcourse. Ofcourse some parts will be more expensive as they are bigger due to there being 6 cylinders. He paid £2500 for his which is 380 bhp and pisses all over my starlet. Fair enough mine isnt high spec but its miles apart. Regardless for 5k they are all far faster, have alot more equipment are bigger comfier. The question was power for purchase price not running costs therefore they are all faster. Like I said I have a starlet because I love starlets but I dnt let the rose tinted specs effect my judgement. 280bhp is all good and well but in a 800kg its not going to put it down untill about 3rd gear. Where as they will.See i disagree. I have a mate with a R33 GTST and his running costs have been mad. Clutches, Coilpacks etc all very expensive Dont get me wrong you get more car, but i dont agree that itll be miles faster, if faster at all. 5k wouldnt get you 280brake Say 2k on the car itself If you want that kind of power youll be going forged 2-2.5k Brakes £500? You wont be on standard suspension with that power i doubt so coilovers £300-£800 depending wether you buy new Management - say emb as its cheap £200 plus mapping is another £250 And then youve got manifold, decat, exhaust, fmic, wastegate if you go down external route which i imagine you would, and turbo itself Starts adding up fast when you actually think about what you spendA car for 2k will have coils already, brakes you dont worry about those. 2k for the car 1.8k for a forge 600 on a second hand TD04 kit 550 for emange supplied, fitted and mapped Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wssoR Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 A gt may come with few mods at 2k but i doubt a tidy glanza would, dont get me wrong i love starlets but there is alot better out there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StuDoc 72 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Exactly what his is also. The only price hes come across that has been massive have been as you say the coilpacks cost an arm and a leg and they are a neccessity unfortunately as nissan used 1s that cant even cope with the standard power for some reason.But ive seen him on his forum buyin allsorts for his at ridiculously cheap prices. Ofcourse things will vary with each car and what they are things that are cylinder realted are more expensive as are wheels and brakes due to sheer size but things like interior he bought a full pretty much minted 1 for £40. We will just have to agree to disagree lol. Either way im keeping my starlet. WTFFFFFFF^^^^^^ I give up my pc in work is shit lol. Edited February 21, 2013 by StuDoc 72 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rubix_Cube Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Name a few cars that are a 'SHIT LOAD' faster for 5k... Im struggling to think of many without modifying them heavily.. Yeah for 5k your going to get a well spec'd fairly high powered starlet tbf, but you can buy quite a few boosted other cars for that including modified ones!Evo's and scoobs vxr's etc theres quite a few, you could prob get an old m3 or mk1 rs focus? Not necessary quicker but more maximum potential and better equipped with more roomInfact its almost getting to the point you could buy a ep3 N whack a supercharger on it for that amount of money and k20's can handle plenty of abuse reliably :/Its a case of someone wanting one at the end of the day, someone who had one as a first car and never had there fix of a boosted ep might come back and buy one! Maybe saying shit load faster was wrong, the bit in bold highlights my point better. Would you spend 5k on a tiny hatchback car, that will rattle to bits or buy a newer, better specced new car or a cheaper older car with more tuning potential. The M3 example above, all the toys 300+ hp, fantastic chassis and brakes.... Or 200sx for 2k, spend about £1500 on some 2nd hand parts and you have 350hp... Its not always about the power to weight... factors like practicality and equipment drive many people and for 5k there is alot out there. Edited February 21, 2013 by Rubix_Cube Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pick1 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 U can buy alot of car for 5k all depends on personal preference and what the owner is looking for a I personally love evo's but i would want a well spec'd one as they can cost a fortune to mod so therefore 5 k wouldn't get me what I was looking for and forget the fun factor with a quick starlet the looks on people faces are priceless Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scottyb Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I paid £4.5k for my starlet nearly 3 years ago, was a fresh import with 45k and almost standard. Now its probably worth £2.5k at most. Still 2k isnt alot over 3 years and totally worth it for the enjoyment i still get from my car every day. Hopefully they'll appreciate but i doubt it tbh! People want newer cars now, and with finance deals etc getting more affordable its making older cars cheaper imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 If you wanted a newer more equiped car, why would you even be looking at a starlet? A starlet is just a tin can, track/drag toy that will beat most. A £5k starlet would kill an Evo/Skyline/Scooby of similar price at track or strip. The fact is FWD is more predictable than RWD or 4WD, therefore makes it faster. Even in the paws of your dog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StuDoc 72 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) If you wanted a newer more equiped car, why would you even be looking at a starlet? A starlet is just a tin can, track/drag toy that will beat most. A £5k starlet would kill an Evo/Skyline/Scooby of similar price at track or strip. The fact is FWD is more predictable than RWD or 4WD, therefore makes it faster. Even in the paws of your dog. That is the most innaccurate statement ive ever heard. A FWD is the worst way to apply power. RWD for acceleration 4WD for handling. If FWD is faster then why are all supercars 4WD or RWD. FWD is more predicatble and easier to manage then RWD that is the only reason for its popularity. It cant handle more than 200 without super fancy diffs!!! Edited February 21, 2013 by StuDoc 72 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) In terms of giving a driver confidence I think you'll find FWD is faster. Unless your experienced enough or a racing driver and know how to handle a RWD setup, the average Joe going on a track day will prefer FWD.Putting power down is all dependent on chassis setup. Edited February 21, 2013 by AdamB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StuDoc 72 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Average joe will prefer 4wd as its least likely to let go of all 3. Only thing that makes FWD better is that its cheaper and lighter, it has no other benefits over the other 2. 4wd is safer and better handling. RWD is faster and better handling if you are experienced. Edited February 21, 2013 by StuDoc 72 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amjad Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 5k wouldnt get you 280brake Say 2k on the car itself If you want that kind of power youll be going forged 2-2.5k Brakes £500? You wont be on standard suspension with that power i doubt so coilovers £300-£800 depending wether you buy new Management - say emb as its cheap £200 plus mapping is another £250 And then youve got manifold, decat, exhaust, fmic, wastegate if you go down external route which i imagine you would, and turbo itself Starts adding up fast when you actually think about what you spend You've overestimated a lot of those costs. My GT cost me less than £1k on the road, and I know several other people who have picked them up for the same price. GT4 brakes are good enough for 300bhp IMO, mine stop on a dime and cost £250. Also forging needn't cost that much. You can easily get 280bhp for £5k Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smobey_sutton2 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Skyline, Supra, M3, Subaru, Evo......Is that enough??I agree with Trisk on this one.Your not going to get much of a skyline for 5k, and at that they are big buses!Supra is again a complete bus, and you'll need to buy one for about 8k to be quicker.M3, again heavy things, but are quick when modified. But if you go down to your local circuit, 106 gti's are doing these on track!Subaru, horrible car. And slow... until modified heavily.Evo, nice car, but running costs are hugeeee.I don't consider many cars to be an upgrade from a well specced starlet. There have been lots of people that have sold up their starlet and gone for a 200sx or something, and regretted selling up!Although i can understand people preferring rwd for the fun factor but you'll soon get bored of buying new tyres Edited February 21, 2013 by smobey_sutton2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
td04 glanza Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 A 5k well put together starlet would not break a sweat keeping up with any of the above on a dry track day imho! As for the op's question it pisses me off aswell because as has been said its due to the chav's that put chrome 17" wheels, ridiculous bodykits and drive like wee fannys that the value of starlets especially glanza's are dropping! BUT i know for a fact that once mine is ready to sell she will be a lovely example so im going to stick to what ever price i decide to sell for and once the ruined examples fade out they will defiantly rise in value again aslong as enthusiast clubs like this keep going. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan-11 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Just because a 5 grand 280 bhp starlet is faster than a 5 grand evo, skyline, scoob ect ect, does that make it better? if i had 5 grand to spend on a car it wouldnt b a starlet lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
td04 glanza Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) My scoob has had double that spent on it running 380/390 and i have to say its not much more fun or satisfying to drive than my glanza running 260hp Oh but i suppose the glanza prob had 5.5-6.5k spent all in. Edited February 21, 2013 by td04 glanza Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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