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i cant speak with any certainty, but it does seem the ME221 uses all the stock sensors, but you will need to add a boost solenoid if you want to run more than 1 bar (as it relies on the stock MAP sensor). there was a graph indicating it produced 20bhp more than stock ecu. A few persons have bought them now, so i figure the forum will get some real life feedback over the next few weeks so a more definitive conclusion can be reached. me personally, if i was forced to go standalone i think i'd use Link, a number of tuners seem to rate them, but again many choices out there for everyone's budget and needs http://www.ukstarletowners.com/topic/104095-group-buy-ep82ep91-pnp-me221-ecu/page-3#entry1211568 you are correct, the old PnPs do seem to do a decent job...and i can attest to that personally, even on my low octane gas my engine survived. And my friend with 4efte hybrid ct9 jam ecu---his worked very well, in fact even better suited to his set up than mine set up felt. I think he got lucky and got a JAM ecu that matched/optimised his set up, while i got one that "worked" with my set up at the time, but was pale in comparison to his...lol yes, its a nice topic and i think it comes up in little sections in other treads, so i'm hoping to get some views and feedback from the forum on this one so users can benefit now and in the future---make more informed buying decisions, understand the value of their money, optimize their set ups, etc @ ramses, before i sold the Jam ecu. we tried to tune it with the EMU attached. I made no more power or felt any different to when i used the stock ecu...so the decision was made to sell the JAM ecu. At that point i was quite happy about thier resale value...lol...as i was able to break even after maybe a year or two of ownership lolol...when i was buying it i thought it was too expensive, but i wanted security and piece of mind at the time so i went with it as they are proven to "work" at minimal....when i was selling it i thought it was over priced, but that's what the market was willing to pay, plus i could use the funds to help offset my emu and tuning expenses. did you ever try the stock ecu with emb ramses? does anyone have any information on dastek...iirc didn't burwash use one back in the day with success??

hey gainzy,,,i considered the emb and the emu before chossing the emu emu is just like an uprated emb...it allows for a more refined tuned due to its software and maps. i'm not sure if emb has 2 step limiter function (not that it is important for the average daily driver...but if you drag then its a benefit)....if i already had emb, then i dont think it would be worth it to "upgrade" to emu

smh..have to retype everything...had responded in detail and it got lost...so i'll be more concise now. i think i paid around US$1000 for a new and complete emu package in 2006...plus the fields harness. i can speak for emu with stock 4efte ecu, i think they work well together IF the tuner takes their time and does a decent job. if apexi FC is going to be around gbp650,,,then its got a direct rival in ME221 which is a much more recent product, so i'm not sure that would make apexi Fc very popular given its dated technology. i think PnPs like jams blitz, etc should really only be options if you have proven results for a specific set up or know from the company what set up they were specifically designed for, else its just guessing as said before...even then i see then in the gbp250/350 range max. they will continue to work on set up as they have in the past, but they are seldom optimizing the set up. i know that will not be a popular thing to say about PNPs lolol

nice work colin lol....this will work for some set ups, but as you know its not ideal problem is you tune fuel fairly ok...but there is no outlet to refine ignition with that combo so in theory the tune may not be optimised as it relies solely on the stock ecu for ignition adjustments its even more trouble when you run low octane gas

i understand that and agree fully AdamB ecus like mote , gems, pectel, etc are seen as higher end spec with tons of features, uprated cpus, complex algorithms,---basically the works and a bag of chips. so those tend to be out of the average starlet build budget and requirements i'm being devil's advocate here, ok, we hear a lot about apexi power fc over the years, but with the advancement of technology and cpus, how does it really rate up nowadays to link, haltech, MS, ME221, which can be made to be direct plug and play without too much hassle. i mean it does not even have a 2 step limiter (LC), but yet still commands a fairly hefty price tag today....i'm not sure its any better than emu in terms of map resolution and functionality. yes, i take your point that many "mildly modded" road cars may not require all the features of standalones...and all standalones are not created equal, even within the same price range....so in those cases a piggyback may be an option. However, i think the price of a new piggyback with sensors will run you nearly the same as a decent standalone....its becomes more economical when bought 2nd hand for sure i know the one problem tuners have with piggybacks is their lack of "absoluteness"....by this i mean you are adjusting relative figures to the stock ecu, whereas with a standalone you know exactly what timing and fuel you are running for example and sometimes persons also fall prey to all the hype and buy stuff based on what they are told to get by groups/tuners/crews/clubs without really knowing what they are getting into

thanks for your input stu...as i know you have a lot of experience in the area question to you---do you think for the average set up we find here that there is a significance difference to be made tuning wise between a piggyback and standalone? (4e/5e with hybrid ct9/td04/gt28/td05/vfxx running 295/330/360/460cc injectors, stock intake, stock ignition system, etc)

now here's my second tad bit-----emu/piggyback VS standalone....this is the area that usually results in a lot of talk PS - my emanage package included emu, greddy boost solenoid/harness, afr harness, and controls ACIS manifold using one of the auxiliary outputs/maps....alll done up using a fields extension harness to make it "plug an play" technically speaking i went on from my 5efte ct9 295cc injectors set up to running a 5efte TD04L set up with 360cc injectors in 2008/2009...i stuck with the emu as it worked quite good before, though i was advised that a standalone would have been better. At the time the apexi power fc was the craze and i think haltech and link as well were options. The car was retuned, and again it worked flawlessly, it drove smoothly, nice power band, no jerking, started easily, no power dips or hesitation when you turn on a/c, lights, wipers, etc.....everything works as if the car were stock, the way i wanted it. now i will be honest, my tuner is not a fan of piggybacks and 100% prefers standalones like Stu does, but he tunes piggybacks and reflashes ecus when presented by the client----regardless, strict attention is paid to the ecu wiring harness and installation to make sure everything is correct before tuning commences. as i said above, here's where things get a little difficult....would you change from this to a standalone if everything is working and you have no complaints? some claim more power can be made and a better tune can be had with a standalone. Firstly, i think if your car is tuned properly with either device (assuming the tuner is competent) that there will be very little if any gains to be made. Whichever you choose, its really up to the tuner to make the most of it, assuming that the other things are in order. Always talk to your tuner before hand to see what they are comfortable with as this will most likely impact the final outcome. if your tuner is not familiar with the software of the piggyback/standalone your car will not be optimised and the ecu will get the blame

found a few minutes, so let me start i've had a Jam ecu in the past on an ep91 with ct9 set up...it took the usual few miles to settle down and worked flawlessly, even on our low octane gas. I would say it was a nice investment at the time (maybe 2006/2007) and cost around gbp525 if i remember correctly...we had no dyno at the time so i cant comment on figures. Another added bonus was that when driven sensibly, my per tank gas mileage increased, so it kind of payed for itself over the period. i had a friend who also ran a jam ecu on an ep82 with hybrid ct9...same experience as me having said that, would i recommend one now....depends...if you can get one for a decent price (possibly below gbp300/350) and your set up it pretty simple and similar to the owner you are buying it from who has proven results, then OK....apart from that, i think they are way over priced for what they do compared to other options available today/2017. I mean you can get decent standalones for close to their price and even cheaper emu/emb. Yes, they will need to be tuned, BUT your tuned will be optimised for your specific set up instead of just relying on the general setting on whatever the plug n play ecu was initially set up for---which is usually a guest at best. after i sold the Jam ecu, i installed emu on the same set up,,,and though i was not a believer before that point (like many i did not think the emu would make any difference at that time if i am honest lolol),,, yes, the emu tune was notably better than the jam ecu,,, just overall the car drove better in terms of response and smoothness

well...the diameter measured approximately 21.7mm tread pitch is either 1.50mm or 1.25mm....its kind of difficult to tell with the digital caliper i hope the others can shed some accurate light for you

this topics is started as a result of a spin-off discussion from another tread, however, this has long been a notable talking point over the years. i think its time to put the cards on the table and hopefully have a decent/civilized discussion about each and their place in the starlet community. http://www.ukstarletowners.com/topic/105733-td05-16g-thinking-of-a-different-turbo/ popular plug n play on the 5e/4e scene include Jam, blitz, sard, mines, etc popular piggybacks include emb, emu, dastek, etc popular standalones include, apexi power fc, microtech, megasquirt, me221, autronic, link, haltech,,,,there have been a few high end spec ones that i know of. now what are your experiences with these ecus on your set up?---what is your set up, how does your car drive, what kind of bhp did it make have you upgraded from plug n play to piggyback/standalone, or from piggyback to standalones?....was it worth it? do tuners in your area tune certain piggybacks or only certain standalones? what type of features did your ecu have?...did you need to use any of them?...how did they work? any information would be helpful

cool video amjad

will do as soon as i get home from work tonight

question---what kind of additional weight do these cages bring?

i honestly dont know where i'd get such on my island...i'd ask and see if any of my close friends have one

hey Robsr i actually have a disassembled gearbox in my store room,,,very close to hand...,but what tools would i need to determine tread pitch/size?....as i doubt i have such readily available, but could ask around and see digital caliper?---i have that a die/tap? ---i dont have those

i don't want to derail this tread, which is about td05 16g set up possibilities,... so is it possible that we could start another tread about "emanage vs standalones"....i would be very willing to share my thoughts there...as i like the discussion between foggy, ramses, gainzy or could a moderator cut their replies and create such a tread? ---if those parties are willing to have their responses removed from this tread of course!! or someone start such a tread

hey colin, dont hold me to this, as this is off my head from a long time ago but i think the ep82 turbo and ep91 turbo have slightly different front shocks where they mount to the top spring seat "cut out slot" i think the ep91 has a slightly bigger "cut out slot" --maybe the shaft itself they are interchangeable as complete uints

its one of the main reasons i went coilovers...because buying konis plus springs plus the time/cost involved in sorting the front struts simply approximated a set of decent coilovers if you already have springs and dont mind the labour, then konis do handle quite well

i'd be surprised if the front were complete shocks....but most likely they are just inserts i'd be happy to be wrong...but that is how they were in the past

yeah,,,i've reused and seen stock headbolts reused by others without issues.

seen specs online say 0.07mm which is about 0.0028" bore clearance

yeah...i had seen that one and linked above...was just hoping to get the entire document if possible

good read

thanks AdamB....as always

GordG...dont quote me on this but i think the c52 4age pinion may work with the ep82 c52 gear set and the the c56 4age pinion may work with the ep91 c56 gear set http://austarletclub.com/index.php?/topic/8550-gear-box-question/ depending on what you want to achieve, can't you just get a good working c52 or c56 levin gearbox (depending on the ratios you prefer) and swap the bellhousing from the ep82/91 gearbox....easy enough if you have the technical ability to do it i think slostar used the 4.3 diff in his old ep82 and that was an 11sec car