Not sure how much a forged one costs but thats the main issue with any unforged fte over 230-40. 170hp in my motor is quicker than type R's upto 110ish but im not boosted so im lacking the torque of a turbo but i still enjoy my car more than any type R I've been in, i find they go from too refined to, to rattly and tracky (un daily based) Supose it really depends what you're looking for in the long term i guess